barrylove

thanks for the compliments

This old chap just managed to come across a load of exotic, but sadly dead, butterflies? They were at some point captured and killed for this man's collection. His collection then ends up in the exhibition. I can't see what point I'm missing.......... Can we get of this subject, Please? Maybe this thread can get deleted so all the PERFECT people can relax and give us fellow vegans a brake and save it for the outside world. Robert is trying to do a good thing here..and he is, but some of you are making it very hard for him. R E L A X - Whatever point you are trying to make is getting you nowhere in this forum. I think you are the one that needs to relax, so try it sometime. The point I was making is not whether Bigbwii was right or wrong going to this exhibition, not whether he did or did not know that dead butterflies would be on display. I will call him up when he says that no butterflies were killed for that exhibition when obviously they were. No, not specifically so. The fact remains - dispute it all you want - these butterflies were killed for display purposes. These butterflies eventually find their way to an exhibition. Conclusion = these butterflies were killed for this exhibition. Yeah...You right..your 100% right. Have a great day ole chap!

This old chap just managed to come across a load of exotic, but sadly dead, butterflies? They were at some point captured and killed for this man's collection. His collection then ends up in the exhibition. I can't see what point I'm missing.......... Can we get of this subject, Please? Maybe this thread can get deleted so all the PERFECT people can relax and give us fellow vegans a brake and save it for the outside world. Robert is trying to do a good thing here..and he is, but some of you are making it very hard for him. R E L A X - Whatever point you are trying to make is getting you nowhere in this forum.

I'm in!

Your Dr. is a piece of POOP! they know nothing about diet and nutrition..absolutely nothing! If you don't wish to eat dairy,then don't! A dentist!! Who the heck is he to suggest nutritional advice. I didn't read all of the posts, but hopefully you have been convinced to go back to being vegan. trust me, you will get you calcium from a plant based diet. Good Luck!

Yes..I am in!

Thanks Big! Glad to be back! Rob > Awesome definition! Good Job!

LOL.....I know..I hear that ALL the time from my wife THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENT!

Gosh!!! Do we ever like the way we look?

Well here are pics from an article that was done on me in the local newspaper. I am doing everything I possibly can to spread the word http://lehighvalleynewsgroup.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=149001

yes..in respect to Robert and the other great people on here who ask me to hang out I believe it is the right thing to do. I will try to post often, but like robert and a few of you other professionals life is sooo busy......but a great busy at that!

I do agree that there are people born with great calves and people born with virtually no calves. I belong to the latter category. I also believe that it is quite challenging to get calves to grow in size -- they seem to be extraordinarily stubborn compared to other muscles -- but anecdotal evidence underlines that they are not incapable of hypertrophy. After being in the industry for so long I am ask that question: 'Why are calves so hard grow?" I have never done a full scale research on this but my opinion is that yes it is genetics, but also it is a muslce that never rests. We all know how important it is to rest your muscles in order for them to grow and grow big. funny also..I have friends that ask for half of my calves..lol

Thank you!

It sounds like you have some pent up anger festering inside of you toward "advocates", and you were dying to unleash on somebody. My advice: if your gym doesnt have punching bags, get one, because this forum will NOT be your personal punching bag. If you are itching, in other words, to blow up and unleash some venom, do it elsewhere. You have a total of, like, 10 posts on this forum and yet you feel it is appropriate for you to launch such a scathing attack yelling at people with your use of capital letters? Obviously, if somebody posts pictures, on a vegan forum, of a butterfly exhibit, then the question may arise whether those butterflies are real or not, and if real, whether they were murdered for the purpose of an exhibition. This is not an unfair or inappropriate inquiry. CollegeB's post did serve to educate some people on this thread, and if you will notice, that "some people" includes myself and Big. And, after we were all educated by College B, people rightly expressed their concerns and opinions. Something that every board member has the right to do, so long as there is no malice, etc. Considering the nature of this forum, and the fact that we are all in the company of many passionate people who detest animal exploitation, discussions like these arent outrageous or inappropriate, and anything that is publicly posted is fair game and open to challenge, inquiry, criticism, praise, etc. Bahh!!!!!!!!! What an assinine sentiment, not to mention one that lacks empathy. If the animal protection movement was to wait for people " to ask" before it tried raising awareness and educating, there would be a lot less vegans in the world, and a lot more animal cruelty and exploitation. I wonder if you would still want activists to "wait for people to ask" if you were the one being stolen from the wild and killed for an exhibit, anally electrocuted for your fur or delimbed while fully conscious. Hmm...again, maybe a butterfly is a "little detail" to you, but I bet you would feel differently if you were the butterfly who was minding her own business in nature until you got scooped up and killed for the sake of an exhibition. When "all we do is find everything wrong and kill them over it?" Do you even know the people who have participated in this thread, and what they do and what they dont do? Because that is a pretty presumptuous statement on your part. Yes, you are right, all "we" do is sit by and fffind everytying wronf with people adn kill them over it To reiterate, when you post pictures, on a vegan forum, of dead animals that are being exhibited, it is not a stretch that a discussion just like the one in this thread will ensue. Obviously this is beyond your grasp, however. People have a right to express their views so long as board etiquette is respected. Yes, sometimes those views may not always be what another board member wants to hear, or may seem harsh. But that is hardly suprising or unexpected. And, yes, Barrylove, believe or not, even "we" have disagreements and heated debates with "our own kind." A few more odds and ends: I dont know what your deal is, but based on both the content and tone of your post, you seem to be an apologist for animal exploitation. I have absolutely no use for apologists. Ummm.......an 'animal apologost'? yeah..your right just like you are in ALL of your posts. You have NO CLUE how I feel about animal cruelty and torture..no clue. Try reading your posts from 'outside the box' and see how you are percieved. WOW.... LMAO! - I have pent up anger? LOL.....tooooooo funny Again...go look at all of YOUR posts... Well, this is exactly how I knew you in particular were going to respond. I am going to try my best to stay away from you and your 'I AM RIGHT AND NOBODY ELSE IS' posts. If I can't get away I may have joined the wrong group here. You.....you may want to look at yourself. I am not sure how old you are but first on your list may be to grow up and realize there is a world out there and it is not only yours WHOOAAAAAA..you have to be kidding me! This just added! You are a moderator? I say again, A moderator! That is tooooo funny that a moderator acts like this in a forum that one is suppose to moderate. WOW! Now I get it. You ar a moderator on this site so you are always right about everything. Hmmm...funny how that is not how it works on other forums, but THEY must be wrong. You will have to make sure they do it YOUR way..OK? Then we will all be just how you want us. With that mentioned I am out of here..... So, compassionategirl/moderator that means I will not be checking back so there really is no need to respond to me. unreal..that you say I am an 'an apologist for animal exploitation'..you have no clue what so ever sorry Robert, but I will look you up elsewhere

It sounds like you have some pent up anger festering inside of you toward "advocates", and you were dying to unleash on somebody. My advice: if your gym doesnt have punching bags, get one, because this forum will NOT be your personal punching bag. If you are itching, in other words, to blow up and unleash some venom, do it elsewhere. You have a total of, like, 10 posts on this forum and yet you feel it is appropriate for you to launch such a scathing attack yelling at people with your use of capital letters? Obviously, if somebody posts pictures, on a vegan forum, of a butterfly exhibit, then the question may arise whether those butterflies are real or not, and if real, whether they were murdered for the purpose of an exhibition. This is not an unfair or inappropriate inquiry. CollegeB's post did serve to educate some people on this thread, and if you will notice, that "some people" includes myself and Big. And, after we were all educated by College B, people rightly expressed their concerns and opinions. Something that every board member has the right to do, so long as there is no malice, etc. Considering the nature of this forum, and the fact that we are all in the company of many passionate people who detest animal exploitation, discussions like these arent outrageous or inappropriate, and anything that is publicly posted is fair game and open to challenge, inquiry, criticism, praise, etc. Bahh!!!!!!!!! What an assinine sentiment, not to mention one that lacks empathy. If the animal protection movement was to wait for people " to ask" before it tried raising awareness and educating, there would be a lot less vegans in the world, and a lot more animal cruelty and exploitation. I wonder if you would still want activists to "wait for people to ask" if you were the one being stolen from the wild and killed for an exhibit, anally electrocuted for your fur or delimbed while fully conscious. Hmm...again, maybe a butterfly is a "little detail" to you, but I bet you would feel differently if you were the butterfly who was minding her own business in nature until you got scooped up and killed for the sake of an exhibition. When "all we do is find everything wrong and kill them over it?" Do you even know the people who have participated in this thread, and what they do and what they dont do? Because that is a pretty presumptuous statement on your part. Yes, you are right, all "we" do is sit by and fffind everytying wronf with people adn kill them over it To reiterate, when you post pictures, on a vegan forum, of dead animals that are being exhibited, it is not a stretch that a discussion just like the one in this thread will ensue. Obviously this is beyond your grasp, however. People have a right to express their views so long as board etiquette is respected. Yes, sometimes those views may not always be what another board member wants to hear, or may seem harsh. But that is hardly suprising or unexpected. And, yes, Barrylove, believe or not, even "we" have disagreements and heated debates with "our own kind." A few more odds and ends: I dont know what your deal is, but based on both the content and tone of your post, you seem to be an apologist for animal exploitation. I have absolutely no use for apologists. Ummm.......an 'animal apologost'? yeah..your right just like you are in ALL of your posts. You have NO CLUE how I feel about animal cruelty and torture..no clue. Try reading your posts from 'outside the box' and see how you are percieved. WOW.... LMAO! - I have pent up anger? LOL.....tooooooo funny Again...go look at all of YOUR posts... Well, this is exactly how I knew you in particular were going to respond. I am going to try my best to stay away from you and your 'I AM RIGHT AND NOBODY ELSE IS' posts. If I can't get away I may have joined the wrong group here. You.....you may want to look at yourself. I am not sure how old you are but first on your list may be to grow up and realize there is a world out there and it is not only yours