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 Post subject: politics
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:11 pm 
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if anyone reads this, im not looking to start a battle.

but I hate politics and voting. pssht to that.


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 Post subject: Re: politics
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:15 pm 
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Hero wrote:
if anyone reads this, im not looking to start a battle.

but I hate politics and voting. pssht to that.


A lil battle once in a while is good for you. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: politics
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:20 pm 
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compassionategirl wrote:
Hero wrote:
if anyone reads this, im not looking to start a battle.

but I hate politics and voting. pssht to that.


A lil battle once in a while is good for you. :wink:


haha yeh i tried learning about politics and trying to understand them with a friend....but it didnt work out. i still dont understand them and my vote does not count.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:59 pm 
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AAAAH Topher NO!
It makes me cry when people say their vote doesn't count :cry: It's the one say in the world that EVERYONE (k, mostly everyone) has.

...but we already went over this. For like, 2 hours. So you know my stand :)

I love a good political debate :D :D :D

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:10 pm 
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I'm not participating in the system any more. That would just add to it's illusion of legitimacy. I still will talk about political things though. And Topher if you didn't want a fight then why did you make a post for this?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:14 pm 
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I'm not participating in the system any more. That would just add to it's illusion of legitimacy. I still will talk about political things though. And Topher if you didn't want a fight then why did you make a post for this?


:? Ouch. I'm not gonna touch that cuz I don't wanna fight either :)

But he may have done it as a subtle attempt to get back at me for going off to him about politics all the time, right Topher? :lol:

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CollegeB wrote:
I'm not participating in the system any more. That would just add to it's illusion of legitimacy. I still will talk about political things though. And Topher if you didn't want a fight then why did you make a post for this?


its a stress related forum, so i thought id post something that stressed me.
once i get something off my chest and out onto paper/computer, i then no longer stress myself about it as much. its my way of stress relieving


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veggymeggy wrote:

But he may have done it as a subtle attempt to get back at me for going off to him about politics all the time, right Topher? :lol:


nope not at all.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:52 pm 
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When I thought only the politicians were lying to me I had no real interest in politics. When I found out the news organizations are in on it, then I had to find out all the stuff they were concealing from me. I read about 100 books over two years. I quit though with the stolen 2004 election.


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 Post subject: Re: politics
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:06 pm 
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Hero wrote:
haha yeh i tried learning about politics and trying to understand them with a friend....but it didnt work out. i still dont understand them and my vote does not count.


I understand what you mean, when you say that your vote "does not count"

Right after I turned 18, I registered to vote and participated in my first election a few months later. I was all proud of myself, too. At least, I was until I actually got to the polls. I only recognized a few of the names (the presidential candidates, plus a couple of the others) but the ballot was huge. Half the stuff, I'd never even heard of, but I made my selections anyway, because I'd been convinced by everyone around me that I should vote, whether I had any interest in it or not, and that I wasn't a responsible citizen if I didn't.

Well, filling out that ballot felt like taking a multiple choice style exam for a class I'd never attended. I realized, as I was leaving, that as I started to get bored in there, I'd been selecting candidates based on which name I liked better. I didn't know anything about the people, what their views are, or even what the positions were that they were running for, I just felt like I had to perform my civic duty and fill out the entire ballot. I decided at that moment that not only did my vote not really count, because there was no understanding or informed decision behind it, but that until I took an interest in following politics, it was actually irresponsible for me to vote. I haven't voted since then.

However, since a friend enlightened me that I don't have to vote on every single ballot item, just the items I have an opinion on... I registered to vote again. I'm still not interested in politics at all, but there are some issues (environmental issues, animal rights, homeschooling laws, personal freedom, etc) that are important to me. I will be heading to the polls when those issues are at stake and need my input, but I still dislike politics and most politicians.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:22 pm 
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I think though I will give my input to the system and vote for Kinky Friedman... as his bumperstickers say "My governor is a Jewish Cowboy." Kinky also wants to ban the de-clawing of cats, and he writes books. He'll make a good governor if elected. He probably wont win so my vote wont really help much or make some victory decision but whatever, the spirit that somebody decent has support is enough. I also support Dennis Kucinich since he's a vegan. Nader is alright in my book too. Shouldn't leave Ron Paul off here either. Though the rest of the politicians I know of seem to not have any real convictions they just change them with what their public opinion polls say. They are liars, and I dont like liars.


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i like to go with Emma Goldman on this one

"If voting changed anything they would make it illegal"

I despise politics. It's all self promotion bullshit, they don't care about people.

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i agree with collegeB. i have voted once, and will not do it again. you do not have a choice. the only way that decent parties can get votes is if they go against their long standing beliefs to get more votes.
take the liberal democrats in the UK. geting about 25% of the vote at the moment, but in order to get more, they are scrapping their higher rate of tax for really rich people, and toughening up on immigrants. its disgusting.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:56 am 
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I AM HIGHLY POLITICALLY CHARGED! I hate capitalism. I disagree with a two-party system. I believe our voting system is corrupt and I hate that we actually consider America a democracy. A pure democracy is run by the people. We live in a representative democracy. And, I don't know about any of you, but there are very few people (in fact, NONE that I know of) that can honestly represent me on every issue. I strongly align myself with Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn. I've voted in two presidential elections since turning 18. Voted Nader in 2000 and voted anti-republican across the board in 2004. Ultimately, I am anti-democrat as well. I'm pro-working class representation. Don't bullshit me that the democrats stand for that. Elitist Kerry with his billionaire wife and multiple estates???

Politics disgust me. Apathy, however, is acceptance and I CAN NOT stand for that.


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 Post subject: Re: politics
PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:16 am 
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Hero wrote:
if anyone reads this, im not looking to start a battle.

but I hate politics and voting. pssht to that.


You're not missing a whole lot, because most politics is a bunch of B.S.

But you should vote though. I know you care about issues like the environment, and if you look at the environmental scorecard of Dems it's a lot better than the Reps. So just taking a couple of minutes every couple of years to at least send in an absentee ballot can help make a difference


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