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 Post subject: Re: What religion do you associate yourself with?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:07 am 
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1. What were you born into?
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3. What made you change? (if you did)


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1. Nothing in particular; parents are atheist, but didn't force me to be
2. Agnostic - sure about nothing, but live as though there is no god / supernatural because i've seen no evidence yet
3. I used to be atheist, but I should just say "I don't know" with regards to something which lacks evidence, rather than say than I am definitely sure about it one way or the other

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I believe that the existence or non-existence of G-d is irrelevant for the following reasons:

1. I don't need my ethics spelled out for me by a 'supreme' being, a priest, or any other being for that matter. I know what is right & what is wrong. Even if a person chooses a 'pre-defined' ethical code, if you believe in free will, it comes down to each moment & will you follow the code you have chosen or not?

2. I don't need the motivation of reward or the fear of punishment to do what's right. I choose to do what's right because it's the right thing to do. If I choose not to do what's right it's because I sold out my ethics; I lowered my standards. Only I can deal with that.

3. The question of life after death is irrelevant as well. The only moment that matters is THIS ONE!

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A turning moment for me was when I was about 9 in a Sunday school class. The teacher was telling us that you could reconcile the big bang theory with G-d because where did that inrush of hydrogen come from? "G-d!" she explained. I casually asked "Where did G-d come from?" & was promptly taken upstairs to the minister’s office where he gave me a lecture on faith. It seemed to me that if you could accept that G-d has always been, then why is it such a leap to think that the hydrogen just came into being?

As I got older I had serious issues with "G-d the Father, G-d the Son, ..." Where the heck are the women in this religion? Relegated to being a reproductive vessel & mother, I suppose. The feminist in me rebelled. I was taught that G-d has no gender. Well if religious leaders truly believe that then they should come up with a respectful, genderless pronoun as a way to refer to G-d & G-d should be referred to as a Parent, not a Father.

I hope my post does not offend anyone. On a lighter note, I like this saying:

Life is a sexually-transmitted, terminal condition.

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kollision wrote:
1. What were you born into?
2. What are you now?
3. What made you change? (if you did)
4. What are your ideas on religions in general?

1. Catholicism. My mom's family is Irish Catholic. My dad's side is not Catholic, but he went to church with us and eventually converted when I was a teen. My brothers and I went to Catholic school K through 12, went to church every Sunday and holy day, were in the CYO (Catholic Youth Organization) for a few years, were confirmed, and so on. My first, middle, and confirmation names are Elizabeth Mary Bernadette.

2. I am an atheist and an agnostic and a humanist. I'm also quite interested in Buddhism.

3. I stopped believing in god when I was in my teens. I think some of my (bad) religion classes contributed, because they made me question what I was being taught in those classes, which led me to question all of it.

4. That would be a long answer. To sum it up, I think religion has its good and bad points. Some good points are that it seems to make some people happy and give them some hope and joy in their lives. Some people claim that it's only religion that keeps them in line, and though I'm not so sure I believe them, it's a good thing if it is true. Bad things are that fundamentalism in religion can discourage people from thinking about moral issues for themselves and can lead them to try to control other people's lives.

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 Post subject: Re: What religion do you associate yourself with?
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1. What were you born into?
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christian

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2. What are you now?

I've invented my own complicated dual system of logic/atheism and creative hope/pantheism.

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3. What made you change? (if you did)

I'm too smart to be a christian. I was making fun of how ridiculous religions were when I was 7.

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The fervently religious suffer from schizophrenia. The others are nonthinking assimilators. Together they have turned earth into a hell.


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I believe that the existence or non-existence of G-d is irrelevant for the following reasons . . .

Sounds like you may be an apathetic agnostic.

"We don't know and we don't care."

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1. Baptist
2. Anglican
3. There was a moment many years ago.. I guess I was in high school or college at the time where the Baptists were boycotting either Disneyland or Disney World (I can't remember which) because they were having a Gay Pride thing there and all of a sudden I felt embarrased to say 'Baptist' when someone asked what religion I was. I started calling myself Methodist and went to Methodist Churches for a while before I stopped going to Church pretty much altogether for another long while. Around the time I got pregnant with my daughter I went thru a phase in my life where I wanted to 'find' religion again. And I wanted to be religious for vegetarian reasons so I focused my efforts there. I thought that would help make being vegetarian easier (meaning just dealing with other people) if I could say it was part of my religion. That didn't work out so well. AND it left a bad a taste in my mouth for so-called religious vegetarians. I remember some men talking about going to an all-male boarding school where they had snuck out to go eat burgers at the local burger joint because they didn't want to eat the vegetarian school food.
4. In my heart I still believed in the Christian God /Jesus etc. I only wanted a BIG God and I finally found that. Thus that it is how I got where I am. No religion is perfect. But I have a home parish where I can worship, pray and grow in my own spirituality and in the end that is all that is important.


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kollision wrote:
1. What were you born into?

christian

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2. What are you now?

I've invented my own complicated dual system of logic/atheism and creative hope/pantheism.

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3. What made you change? (if you did)

I'm too smart to be a christian. I was making fun of how ridiculous religions were when I was 7.

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4. What are your ideas on religions in general?

The fervently religious suffer from schizophrenia. The others are nonthinking assimilators. Together they have turned earth into a hell.


well put. my thoughts exactly. i was not popular whilst hymns were being sung at school - i usually sang something completely different :twisted:

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Raised as a methodist until 14.
Gave it up, and haven't set foot into one of those vile churches ever since.
I consider myself an agnostic for the most part.

Religion is probably the single most evil, despicable human creation ever, and has led to more war, suffering and hatred than anything else in the history of humankind.


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 Post subject: Re: What religion do you associate yourself with?
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jonathan wrote:
well put. my thoughts exactly. i was not popular whilst hymns were being sung at school - i usually sang something completely different :twisted:
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Although I'm agnostic, I want to respond to all of the religious bashing on here:

For every negative effect associated with religion, a positive could be named. For example consider deeply religious people such as Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, or Mother Theresa - all had a positive impact on the world and were devoted to their religious beliefs. Religion is not inherently good or evil, but powerful people can twist religion to serve their selfish interests, or to serve humanity.


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jonathan wrote:
well put. my thoughts exactly. i was not popular whilst hymns were being sung at school - i usually sang something completely different :twisted:

jonathan


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The only good thing I got from church was I learned how to sing harmony. You can sing loudly & if you hit a note wrong, no one knows who it was!

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Sounds like you may be an apathetic agnostic.

"We don't know and we don't care."


Interesting term. I have not heard that before. Good website, by the way. Some humor & interesting perspectives. Thanks!

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willpeavy wrote:
Although I'm agnostic, I want to respond to all of the religious bashing on here:

For every negative effect associated with religion, a positive could be named. For example consider deeply religious people such as Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, or Mother Theresa - all had a positive impact on the world and were devoted to their religious beliefs. Religion is not inherently good or evil, but powerful people can twist religion to serve their selfish interests, or to serve humanity.


I'm with you Will. Religion is something evil people manipulate to be evil, and something good people use for good. Sadly though, the evil examples tend to be grander than the good examples.

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 Post subject: Re: What religion do you associate yourself with?
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jonathan wrote:
well put. my thoughts exactly. i was not popular whilst hymns were being sung at school - i usually sang something completely different :twisted:
jonathan


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:lol: :lol: :lol: hahah ya i could TOTALLY picture that Jonathan. :lol: :lol:


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kollision wrote:
1. What were you born into?
2. What are you now?
3. What made you change? (if you did)
4. What are your ideas on religions in general?



I was born and raised a catholic.

I am now an atheist.

I changed because I am not an idiot.

From another thread, something I hate is the catholic religion. Organized religion in general. I really have a problem with missionaries. Spirituality and a belief in a higher power is fine if that is what you believe in, I just prefer that organized religion stop influencing my life and the laws I have to abide by.


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