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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:43 pm 
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Hero wrote:
I hate just about everything right now, including myself.


:( I think you need a hug. So ask Robert to give you one for me. :(

To answer the question of the thread, animal and child suffering/abuse.

And to those who are appalled by the fact that I have placed both animals and human children in the same boat, all I can say is GET OVER IT!!!!!! :evil: .


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Both are mistreated by humans, forced into positions they most likely would not want to be in.


I hate rapists.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:00 pm 
i hate most things..makes life easier when i've only got a couple of things to keep track of.


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Hate is a strong word. As far as people go there isn't anyone I hate, as it seems to me you have to love someone first before you can hate them. There aren't very many people at all that I can stomach for long, but it isn't hate, it is more like disgust, and it is directed at the vast majority of the world.


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What I hate the most is Animal Abuse, nothing supercedes it or is equal for me. While children may be abused, they grow up, get stronger, and can guide their lives. Animals have it way worse. Both suffer, but the suffering is on different levels for both.


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I hate circumcision. Possibly more than I hate animal abuse.


Whats your reasoning for that?


It's cosmetic surgery performed on an unwilling participent, completely incapable of defending himself or understanding what the fuck is going on, and it irreversably alters the level of sexual pleasure for the adult man he is to become. All for no medical benefit whatsoever.

And, much as it is in animal rights, people will treat you like a fool for trying to protect defenseless children.

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Sknydpr wrote:
kollision wrote:
Sknydpr wrote:
I hate circumcision. Possibly more than I hate animal abuse.


Whats your reasoning for that?


It's cosmetic surgery performed on an unwilling participent, completely incapable of defending himself or understanding what the fuck is going on, and it irreversably alters the level of sexual pleasure for the adult man he is to become. All for no medical benefit whatsoever.

And, much as it is in animal rights, people will treat you like a fool for trying to protect defenseless children.


I thought circumcision for men at least has added health benefits in terms of bacteria there as well as added pleasure in sex for the women, but not really much change for the men? It also gets dirtier easier without circumcision. So as far as saying that it is only cosmetic, I don't think would be valid since there are SOME benefits, whatever they may be. But I understand your claim.


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kollision wrote:
I thought circumcision for men at least has added health benefits in terms of bacteria there as well as added pleasure in sex for the women, but not really much change for the men? It also gets dirtier easier without circumcision. So as far as saying that it is only cosmetic, I don't think would be valid since there are SOME benefits, whatever they may be. But I understand your claim.


Nope and big nope. Thousands of nerve endings are removed from the most sensitive part of your body, how could that not be a big change?

Your fingers get dirt under the nails, should we start removing fingernails from infants?

Circumcision cures nothing that soap and water can't fix.

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Heres some sites that say there are benefits, as well as some that are just sketchy:

http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/circ_benefits.html
http://familydoctor.org/042.xml
http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/index_home_new.html
http://www.circumcision.org/awareness.htm

then heres some against circumcision

http://www.circumstitions.com/Morris.html
http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/circumci.html

I just did a quick search and saw mostly Pro Circumcision, but then I did look around for the Anti ones.

I personally like my circumcision. Dunno how I would live without it (or with it in this case). Perhaps it's just because I am used to it. When I personally see foreskin it doesn't look appealing to me (as if it shouldn't or should). Like I said, perhaps its just because I grew up circumsized.

What made you start to dislike circumcision? Was this when you were young or something you discovered which changed your outlook on it?


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lol@jza


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compassionategirl wrote:
Hero wrote:
I hate just about everything right now, including myself.


:( I think you need a hug. So ask Robert to give you one for me. :(

To answer the question of the thread, animal and child suffering/abuse.

And to those who are appalled by the fact that I have placed both animals and human children in the same boat, all I can say is GET OVER IT!!!!!! :evil: .


Yeah....Ask Robert, cuz Megan doesn't give hugs. :P :P :P

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Hate... well, I don't like to be caught in duties. I HAVE to get up at 6am, I HAVE to earn money, I HAVE to go to work and not be late...


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I just had to bring this one up:
http://www.godhatessweden.com/

This is what hate will do to ya. Spread the love :D


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Nothing.

I don't hate. There are things i don't like, things i believe a wrong moral behaviour, things i can't understand and things that make me cry. Even some things that make me FURIOUS. But hate? No.

Spread the love :D

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I absolutely agree with Daywalker! Although he weares silly underwear :wink:
Additionaly I try to stay calm in every situation. Like the Dalai Lama says: "If the situation or problem can be remedied, then there is no need to worry about it… Alternatively, if there is no way out, no solution, no possibility of resolution, then there is also no point in being worried about it, because you can’t do anything about it anyway."

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