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#31 Postby Crash » Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:45 pm

Jay wrote: Last I checked humans were a type of animal. Rather than waste 500 dollars donate it to a charity that combats poverty. People who couldn't care less and would rather get the watch are not the sort of people I want anything to do with.

I agree that humans are a type of animal, but they are not being hurt by other humans as other humans didn't steal the money from them (provided those individuals earned their money honestly)...certainly they are not helping, but they are not hurting them either.

I agree that those who can help, but couldn't care less are not the greatest to be around. But what about the others that loan the people in need around them money or donate blankets (for free not a tax deduction) ? Maybe it never occurred to some of these people to donate the money to charity ? How would it help anyone if all the people who could donate to charity were shunned and not given the idea to donate ?

Or maybe these individuals did donate money to a charity or helped out somewhere at a shelter or a soup kitchen and still had or saved every penny they could for the $500.00 watch ?

You can't judge people on a watch alone Jay. As you feel so strongly about this, maybe the next time you are gifted with a $200.00 watch, you could take the opportunity to make others think about donating to charity by, "Thank you for the watch, but I really prefer XXX watch. Would you mind if I returned this watch, got the watch I want and donated the extra money to charity ?"
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#32 Postby veggymeggy » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:30 pm

Jay wrote:I don't think a 200 dollar necessarily makes you an asshole, just a 500. It is possible that at 200 you are paying for some useful fancy solar powered etc stuff to get something that is worth the price in the long run. I don't think that is possible at 500 dollars.

As far as people noticing it Meggy, I purposely used to wear ten dollar watches because I hoped it might help keep the wrong type of people away from me.


I apologize for being the 'wrong kind of person', or maybe just an asshole. Believe it or not, it IS possible to get a useful watch at 500$, that is indeed solar powered, and should not ever have to be replaced. I would know because I purchased it.

Oh, and I do donate to charity. I've also put in many, many volunteer hours. I no longer make the kind of money I used to, and I work my ass off for every penny. When I manage to save some up, I would happily spend another $500, for myself this time, though probably on a bag I've been eyeing. I already have a watch - for which I payed a mere $150. Maybe that makes me less of an asshole?
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#33 Postby Jay » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:53 pm

Crash wrote:I agree that those who can help, but couldn't care less are not the greatest to be around. But what about the others that loan the people in need around them money or donate blankets (for free not a tax deduction) ? Maybe it never occurred to some of these people to donate the money to charity ? How would it help anyone if all the people who could donate to charity were shunned and not given the idea to donate ?

Well that's why I'll be sure to tell them they're an asshole for buying a 500 dollar watch.

You can't judge people on a watch alone Jay.

I sure as hell can.

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#34 Postby Jay » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:03 am

Meggy, yeah that's great. You're a great person. You have nothing to feel guilty about.

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#35 Postby VeganEssentials » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:58 am

Interesting thread!

I've met a few people who have both the altruistic side as well as the materialistic side - people have donated thousands to charities (I'm talking animal rights/welfare here primarily) yet they do wear expensive clothes, watches, drive fancy cars etc. at the same time. Now, the question is - even though they chose to donate large (one case in know of, in the range of $35-40k/year), does this impact your views on them because they also choose to spend a lot on themselves as well?

I do understand that it is important of giving - heck, I've already lost count of how much we've donated in the past year to worthy causes - but do people here think that if someone chooses to have overpriced luxuries is more selfish and "assholeish" even if they do a lot of good with a large amount of their finances? A few "rich" people I've met in the vegan community felt like they were unwelcome to be deeply involved in the movement because they felt that choice to buy expensive things was frowned upon, even though they put lots of money into the movement through their donations. I say that it takes all types and I'd rather judge by actions than possessions, but that's just me!

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#36 Postby Aaron » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:00 am

I wouldn't spend that much on a watch cuz I'd sweat losing it. But I'd sport a $500 watch I got for free. I sport my 150 one now.

Meanwhile. I don't judge people.

Unless I'm judging them.

I guess.

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#37 Postby offense74 » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:33 am

I wouldn't buy the watch, simply because it's overpriced and I don't need it. I am a little of a geek and I sometime buys rediculous little technical things (like the little car that you can steer with bluetooth from your cellphone) but I think it's fun so I don't think much of it.
According to me charity is not the best way to fight poverty. Charity has it's clear value in for example the tsunami catastrophy, the disaster in New Orleans or the earthquake in Pakistan.
The best way to fight poverty is to spend your money wisely so that you create more and better jobs for poor people. A trip to a poor country for example can give more than charity in that it both gives you the opportunity to spend money directly to the people who need it (no corruption to stand in your way) you meet other people from other countries and they meet you (the only real way to fight rascism) and you will probably get a tan :D .

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#38 Postby Guest » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:53 am

Jay wrote:I don't think a 200 dollar necessarily makes you an asshole, just a 500.


awesome
i would love to see the logic that you used to ratify the dollar value cutoff point.

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#39 Postby Guest » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:57 am

offense74 wrote:I wouldn't buy the watch, simply because it's overpriced and I don't need it. I am a little of a geek and I sometime buys rediculous little technical things (like the little car that you can steer with bluetooth from your cellphone)

the one for sony ericsson t610 and all subsequent tri band sony ericson phones? i want to get the bluetooth game controller for my w900i 8)

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#40 Postby offense74 » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:51 am

I got this one:
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=107701
But I now have a Z1010 phone so it's harder to control it. I've hooked up my tv to my mac and I'm using my phone as a remote to control the computer from my sofa. The chicks should get impressed by that, don't ya think :shock: ?

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#41 Postby FormicaLinoleum » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:39 am

I would never spend $500 on a watch. I can't imagine spending $100 on one. And I am put off by people who buy expensive things as status symbols, to let other know they have money. But if a person buys an expensive watch for other reasons, like they personally like the way it looks or believes it's more cost effective in the long run to buy a watch they'll have for the rest of their lives, then I don't see any problem.

As I said, I could not imagine spending that much on a watch. I don't care about jewelry, have no desire for diamonds, etc. But it's all just personal preference. If I had $500 to spare, I might just spend it on something else. Like a weekend trip/holiday. What's the difference between that and the watch? They are both things that are not necessary, but that give the purchaser some kind of pleasure.

If I met someone with a $500 watch, I'm sure I'd have no clue at all that it cost that much, so I would not be able to judge them on it anyway.
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#42 Postby Richard » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:40 am

I don't think that spending $500 on a watch makes you an 'asshole', but I do think it's an amazing waste of money. Regardless of whatever else you could spend the money on, from a value point of view, it makes me laugh. Like those big TVs you can get now, that cost like thousands of pounds / dollars. And people go on about how its better definition and blah. Is it really $7000 worth different? Likewise with a watch, I spend like $10 or something. Imagine how many times it would have to break before I get up to the $500 mark. That's 50 watches. What do you do in everyday life that makes you think you're going to smash your watch to pieces? :P I understand such specific expensive pieces of equipment when there is no other way, for example, people who do deep sea diving, they need special stuff which can withstand that depth of water. I love it how on just regular joe-bum watches they tell you how deep you can go in water, like it matters to most people. Another thing! Personalized number plates! If they were cheaper, go nuts, it's funny to have funny stuff written on your car. But I tell you what's not funny; £2000. Well I'd rather just write something on my car in permanent marker, which is a lot cheaper.
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#43 Postby SeaSiren » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:55 pm

Richard wrote:for example, people who do deep sea diving, they need special stuff which can withstand that depth of water. I love it how on just regular joe-bum watches they tell you how deep you can go in water, like it matters to most people.


They are actually dive computers, pretty cool. 8)

I have a $500+ watch which I wear. However, it was a gift (never thought about cashing in :lol: )

Anyway this conversation brought up something interesting. I came out to help a gentleman with a large order from my company and one of the first things he said to me was "I really like your watch". He noticed right away...he was wearing a Rolex Submariner. It struck me odd until this conversation, apparently people do notice things like that....weird. :?

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#44 Postby Aaron » Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:21 pm

One of the teachers at my school said "nice watch" to me today. Bizarre.

Also, t610 is nice. I want to upgrade though. I've had mine like 2 years or something.

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#45 Postby veggymeggy » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:58 pm

Jay wrote:Meggy, yeah that's great. You're a great person. You have nothing to feel guilty about.


Indeed.

Curious though, how you're the one judging me by a single purchase and yet I'm the asshole.
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