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hmmmm.... :?

im reading this thread and i am ambivilent.

on the one hand, i suppose that it is your money, so you are free to spend it how you please...

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spending 500 bucks just on a single watch strikes me as a little odd. for starters, you can get a really good, long lasting, high quality watch for $100-$150. i have two (one a 21st birthday present, one i bought before). in my opinion (and i do love watches - they fascinate me) anything more that you spend is unnecessary. if you have $500 burning a hole in your pocket why not buy a $150 watch and give the rest to your local AR group?

now i am not someone who is against material posessions., i myself have a whole heap of stuff, but it all has a practical use, and most of it is used very regularly. for instance - i have two bass guitars (one with frets, one without), a big amp (i used to do gigs), a drum kit (im just starting to learn), decent hifi system (i love music), largish tv (we love film, and it was bought from a second hand shop!), $1800 worth of gym equipment (used 5times a week), playstation (would have gone crazy without it when kathryn was doing her final disertation this year!) and stuff like that.
i think that there is a difference between buying stuff that you really dont need, and stuff that can positively enhance your life if you get it ( ie hobby relating things like music and lifting). its quite a fine line between the two, but a $500 watch is IMO on the wrong side of that line.

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I don't get why everyone's getting hung up on the $500 dollar mark. That's how much I spent because it was a gift and I will always give the absolute most I can when buying a gift, but as watches go that is not particularly expensive. It's nice, it's functional, it should last a lifetime, but it's no Rolex. Hell, it's not even a Tag. $500 may be a fair chunk of change for a lot of things, but it's merely moderate for a watch.

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I'm not hung up on $500, $1000 is even stranger to me etc. People are talking about $500 because that's the highest someone has said in this thread I guess.

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and maybe because you could actually buy something like a reliable car for that amount of money :?

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and maybe because you could actually buy something like a reliable car for that amount of money :?


Ha, if you can find a car that runs for $500, that is of itself commendable. I guarantee you though, the watch would run longer :P

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for instance - i have two bass guitars (one with frets, one without), a big amp (i used to do gigs), a drum kit (im just starting to learn), decent hifi system (i love music), largish tv (we love film, and it was bought from a second hand shop!), $1800 worth of gym equipment (used 5times a week), playstation (would have gone crazy without it when kathryn was doing her final disertation this year!) and stuff like that.
i think that there is a difference between buying stuff that you really dont need, and stuff that can positively enhance your life if you get it ( ie hobby relating things like music and lifting). its quite a fine line between the two, but a $500 watch is IMO on the wrong side of that line.

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Question. You love movies and music, and if you have possessions that demonstrate that. I love jewelry and handbags and shoes, and I have possessions that demonstrate that. Are these things really different? I am ambiguous towards tv and rarely watch it, and generally consider anything more than free to be absurd for a tv because I think it's an unncessary expense. Or a play station - I'm not into video games and I think play stations a silly purchase. Those things will just need to be replaced as new technology comes out every year. Few hundred dollars for a new purse though, especially one from which I'll get years of use? Chump change. Of course I love a good deal, and I'll snag a second hand purse or discounted one any day as long as the quality is still good - but I have no qualms about dropping cash on a new one either.
Seems to me this is but different sides of the same coin?

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with most of the things that i have there is absolutely no parrellel. for instance my guitars cost $350 for the fretted one (it is the best i have ever played for under $600 - a real one off beauty) and $700 for the fretless one (again beautiful action on it). cheaper basses simply are not playable - ask any musician. the drum kit is the same - its $1500 worth of kit i got for $600 - you cannot get a cheaper electronic kit.

without wishing to sound self rightious, being able to play, and enduring to improve oneself and learn new musical instruments is an art, and a very worthy venture. you cannot draw a parrellel with hangbags! where is the intellectual value in that?

regarding films and video games; films are brilliant. they are an art form, but also an escape. i watch genuinly brilliant films to be intellectually engaged, i watch shitty action films for silly excitement.
video games are i suppose my vice. i have 3 games in total. but whilst kathryn was doing 12hours a day on her final dissertation, it kept me out of her hair, plus its about the one shared thing that me and my brother do except for weightlifting.

in my opinion, its silly spending lots of money on handbags, shoes and jewelry (though the engagement ring i got kathryn wasnt cheap, it is a one off, and exactly perfect) is frivilous, and somewhat pointless. at the end of the day, you may look good, but whats the point in having 20pairs of shoes if you are penniless?

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Playstation does its job which is that it allows you to play video games. A watch does its job which is it tells you the time. Buying a gold playstation for $1000 would be just as silly to me as buying a gold watch for $500. The additional price is what's confusing to me. I wouldn't resent someone for having a gold playstation or a gold watch, I just think it's humourous / confusing.

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OK, is this turning into a money management thread or are you saying that you do define a person by the watch they are wearing ? Because if you can judge a person solely by the watch they are wearing, it doesn't matter if you wouldn't buy the watch and condemn those that do -- the silly watch commercial is right -- you do define a person by the watch they are wearing.

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Playstation does its job which is that it allows you to play video games. A watch does its job which is it tells you the time. Buying a gold playstation for $1000 would be just as silly to me as buying a gold watch for $500. The additional price is what's confusing to me. I wouldn't resent someone for having a gold playstation or a gold watch, I just think it's humourous / confusing.

Exactly!!!
A wtch made in vietnam at the same factory that does basically the same wath for another company for 1/10 of the prize, the only thing that's going to happen is that the rich get filthy rich and the poor get marginally richer. Then we complain about fairness!? They're not fooling me :twisted: .
Rolex is simply branding out their competition.

On the other hand your responsibility towards other is to feel as good as you can so that you by that can treat others well. If some thing is going to get you there I won't stand in your way :D .


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I don't even have a watch.

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jonathan wrote:
with most of the things that i have there is absolutely no parrellel. for instance my guitars cost $350 for the fretted one (it is the best i have ever played for under $600 - a real one off beauty) and $700 for the fretless one (again beautiful action on it). cheaper basses simply are not playable - ask any musician. the drum kit is the same - its $1500 worth of kit i got for $600 - you cannot get a cheaper electronic kit.

without wishing to sound self rightious, being able to play, and enduring to improve oneself and learn new musical instruments is an art, and a very worthy venture. you cannot draw a parrellel with hangbags! where is the intellectual value in that?

regarding films and video games; films are brilliant. they are an art form, but also an escape. i watch genuinly brilliant films to be intellectually engaged, i watch shitty action films for silly excitement.
video games are i suppose my vice. i have 3 games in total. but whilst kathryn was doing 12hours a day on her final dissertation, it kept me out of her hair, plus its about the one shared thing that me and my brother do except for weightlifting.

in my opinion, its silly spending lots of money on handbags, shoes and jewelry (though the engagement ring i got kathryn wasnt cheap, it is a one off, and exactly perfect) is frivilous, and somewhat pointless. at the end of the day, you may look good, but whats the point in having 20pairs of shoes if you are penniless?

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My point though, is perspective. Spending money on handbags, watches, jewelry, etc seems frivolous and pointless to you, but I quite enjoy it. They may not be intellectually stimulating, but neither are 'shitty action films'. I'm paying many thousands a year to be intellectually stimulated by the university, so I don't feel I'm depriving myself in that department by spending the rest of my money elsewhere :D

So, while you perceive my purchases, or anyone else's of this nature, to be silly, unnecessary, what have you - I still feel the same way about having an expensive entertainment/media set up. I agree with you on the musical instruments, those are the sort of thing in which unparalleled quality is a necessity. But being better able to see the movie you rented? Or, as you admit, your vice being video games? Meh. Pointless to me. I'd rather read a book. But, it doesn't bother me in the least if you spend your money, regardless of the amount, on such things; I just personally choose not to. I'll stick to my girly things :P

Heh - and what's funny is, though I have a watch, I don't even wear it. I wear a bracelet from Tiffany's and use my cell phone for the time.

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to be fair though, i watch 1 or 2 shitty action films a month, if that.

the expensive hifi setup is actually quite vital for my music playing. i taught myself to play bass, and have been playing for over 4years. i taught myself by listening to songs, picking out the bassline and teaching myself to play it.
the better i got, the more intricate the bassline i learnt. i can now work out and play just about anything. but unless i had a decent hifi, the music quality would not be sufficiently good to be able to adequately distinguish between notes.
a watch tells the time. the quality of that service is not variable. an amplifier becomes significantly better the more that you spend. mine cost $400 new (which is not at all much - the equivelent of spending $150 on a watch in terms of quality) and i have had it 4years with perfect sound.

the point that i am making is that for some items, quality affects the service it gives, or simply that the item cannot be purchased any more cheaply (ps2 for instance).
buying a $200 dollar handbag is pointless as you could get one (probably made by the same sweatshop) with 95% of the quality, minus the label, for a 10th the price.

also, excusing stuff that you buy as 'girly things' is kind of discriminatory. it implies that if as a girl you do not subscribe to such a value system, that you are not 'girly'. i guess that me missus is buggered then :?

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also, excusing stuff that you buy as 'girly things' is kind of discriminatory. it implies that if as a girl you do not subscribe to such a value system, that you are not 'girly'. i guess that me missus is buggered then :?

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I was referring to the fact that the majority of men do not carry handbags actually, and that the majority of women do.

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jonathan wrote:
the point that i am making is that for some items, quality affects the service it gives, or simply that the item cannot be purchased any more cheaply (ps2 for instance).
buying a $200 dollar handbag is pointless as you could get one (probably made by the same sweatshop) with 95% of the quality, minus the label, for a 10th the price.


But, this is an "apples to oranges" comparison. One is meant to have a specific function and does not have options for varying prices based on appearance, the other is meant to be an accessory that's based on one's personal preferences. As I get dragged shopping more than I like, I know that when my wife finds something she likes she looks for the cheapest option, but if she can't find a low-cost item and it's something she really wants she will pay more for it (even if the cost does not affect the functionality.) A PS2 is a PS2, but what if one came in, say, camouflage color for $50 more and you were hopelessly addicted to color-coordingating your living room to a jungle theme and there was no other option at a lesser cost? You'd likely but the camo-colored one even though it was a bit more because, as it goes, we're only human and we don't simply buy everything based solely off functionality. If we did, we'd all be living very different lives, as all that we studied or performed would be based of functional aspects to only improve our lives.

I always felt that what one does with their money is their own business, so long as the money isn't being spent on objectionable products/services/investments that are hurting people, animals or the envrionment. Even if the spending is on something objectionable, it is STILL someone's own business, but I would feel compelled to speak up about my opinion on it. I feel that if someone is vegan and socially responsible, if they want to indulge and get themselves a few higher-end items then what purpose does it serve to look down upon them? I think that there are bigger battles to be fought than causing alienation or hard feelings over something that only affects the person who made the purchase. Once we start getting on people about their purchasing habits (providing they're within reason and morally/ethically responsible) we overstep our bounds. It's like saying "Why are you eating Boca burgers when you could make your own for half the cost?", or "Why did you buy that bottled water to take to the gym instead of just filling your bottle up at home for free?" Where does the line get drawn once we start deciding what's right or wrong for someone else, primarily since we base our opinions off our own beliefs first and usually override the big picture to consider that not everyone else is the same? Just something to ponder.


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