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Re: Antidepressants

#31 Postby Rob_T » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:39 pm

2097 wrote:@Rob_T

No need to get an article...Before birth, Beneficial bacteria wait at the entrance/exit of the vagina for the baby to come out where the baby gets coated in bacteria when it comes out.


So is the solution to this to smear c-section babies in the entrance/exit of the vagina of the birth mother for good measure ? Strictly staying in the scientific camp here... :shock:
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Re: Antidepressants

#32 Postby VeganEssentials » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:06 pm

You believe a lot of stuff, 2097, but how much of it is true outside of your own mind? :wink:
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Re: Antidepressants

#33 Postby julia » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:08 pm

Well yes.. It is winter and I am still battling depression. But it was the same way during summer. And the summers and winters before. Seasons don't affect that.

It's a sign of a mental illness? Well Depression is a mental illness so I guess I have several signs of mental illness.

I've read The China Study and found a lot of useful information in it! It's not a new book to me.

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Re: Antidepressants

#34 Postby Rob_T » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:19 pm

VeganEssentials wrote:You believe a lot of stuff, 2097, but how much of it is true outside of your own mind? :wink:


is that comment not uncalled for ? :?:
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Re: Antidepressants

#35 Postby Gorilla » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:54 pm

julia wrote:To make a long story short, I'll need to take antidepressants again. (I've been in psychotherapy for 9 months now, I've tried alternatives. I wish I didn't have to take them, but I'm afraid I have no other choice. At least for a short amount of time.)

Now, the problem is: I know that there's animal testing for medication, and that the pills themselves will probably not be vegan either.

OK, some of you might want to leave a comment at this point saying, that health is more important than being 100% vegan (which is impossible anyway, imo).
Well I think so too, and it's easy to say so, but I feel bad about it, and that's definitely not going to help me.

So what are your thoughts on this?
I don't mean to start a discussion here about antidepressants are good or bad, or even work or do not work. What I want to know is:
How do you handle situations like this, when you need to do something, but there's no vegan option? What thoughts are helping you?


I'm currently on 40mg Citalopram and 10mg Olanzapine daily. I take them last thing before I go to bed.
I started taking this medication in June 2008. I stopped taking them of my own accord in February 2009 – I wasn’t getting much in the way of support from my GP and I just had this feeling that I didn’t want to be taking drugs. Well, I went really downhill after that.
I started taking the medication again in October 2009 so that’s well over a year now, and I was living in a different area, where my GP was much more supportive and arranged sessions with a psychiatrist for free.
I feel so much more stable than before. It's incredible.
It's tempting to come off them, since my life is much less stressful and more stable than before, but I have been diagnosed with Bi-polar affective disorder, or as I call it manic depression.
Looking back on my whole life (I’m 27 this year), it is clear to me that I am manic depressive.
As I said it’s tempting to come off the drugs and just keep up with the diet and exercise. Why come off them? Well, are they toxic? Do I need them still or can I deal with it without them? Do they have long-term side-effects such as less efficient metabolism? What’s the effect on longevity and long-term health?
Back to your question – don’t feel bad about it. They are extremely effective – as I said I’ve been on the above dosage for nearly 15 months and have been enjoying life.
A couple of months ago I saw my GP and we agreed to try 5mg Olanzapine instead of 10mg. Well, it coincided with a stressful situation at work and I felt anxious. I think it would be good to try cutting down again now that I’m more settled in my current job.
I have a dream of travelling the world teaching English as a foreign language. I’d especially like to go to Thailand.
Well, if I’m abroad I won’t be able to get the meds so that’s one reason I’d like to be able to live without them in the future.
But I’d say take them for as long as you need to until you think things are stable enough to try gradually coming off them again.

Keep us posted of your thoughts/progress.

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Re: Antidepressants

#36 Postby VeganEssentials » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:57 pm

Rob_T wrote:is that comment not uncalled for ? :?:


There's been a recent long-running "battle" of theories vs. science going on with no shortage of name-calling on numerous sides. I don't usually go that route, but some very egotistical things have been said recently by 2097 that don't sit well with me, and it got the best of me in this case.

2097 - Nobody said to "limit you" in any way. You're a human of your own free will, you can do as you please.Your choice to avoid anything that contradicts with your theories that have no real evidence of being correct is your limitation, and that is 100% self-imposed. I'd actually be interested in your personal "theories" of how the human body works if you presented any facts beyond your personal opinions that are often in complete contradiction of science. But to keep saying "I theorize this opinion made without study to be factual" isn't helping your case.

And, for the record, not everyone "crazy" is genius, and not all genius is "crazy". But, carry on with your theories, nobody's going to stop you, but do not be surprised that when you say things that are only existing in your head and have never been proven in any way, you WILL be called out for it. And no, we won't accept that you're beyond what we mere mortals are capable of thinking, we here in the real world expect some degree of proof before believing what anyone on a message board says they "think" is the truth.
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Re: Antidepressants

#37 Postby Rob_T » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:23 pm

Just to let everyone know, gravity is still considered a Theory
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Re: Antidepressants

#38 Postby Dallas » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:56 pm

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Theory in science means it's set in stone; Very rarely is a theory proven wrong. Peoples use of the word actually means 'idea' or 'proposition'.


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