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If nothing else, it will provide some closure to the families directly affected by the attacks.

 

It will also strengthen the arguments from both sides:

1. Now that it is "mission accomplished" we can finally come home.

2. Proof that the military efforts are working so we should continue.

 

Yeah, did he die for the 5th or 6th time already?
I believe this is the first time it has been claimed he was directly killed, in the past it has just been speculation that he died from some sickness or that they destroyed some place he was believed to be hiding in. There's no real political advantage to announcing this right now, it's actually pretty bad timing from a cynical political view.
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it was May 1

The Illuminati's second most sacred holiday. Same date as 2003 Mission Accomplished speech... I really hope you don't belive in TV propaganda We can't really know if he was killed now or years ago, if it is really him that was just killed, etc. Disconnect, please...

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If *any* of those are your editor you are fighting the battle that time forgot. Almost everyone on some kind of unix has a GUI and access to nicer tools. For the sysadmin on some clunker box from the past who needs to edit a few lines in a file ne is so modern and friendly nobody would even bother having a debate.

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Actually when I started the thread I was referring to the corporate spending problem, the national debt, the failure of the public schools, the current occupations, the destruction of the environment, etc. I feel that Osama's death is a strong symbolic gesture, but otherwise it's meaningless....

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Actually when I started the thread I was referring to the corporate spending problem, the national debt, the failure of the public schools, the current occupations, the destruction of the environment, etc. I feel that Osama's death is a strong symbolic gesture, but otherwise it's meaningless....
Well of course not. Most of those things are not related to terrorism, except maybe part of the national debt debt to military expenses and of course occupation.

 

But considering that he was found in a country we're not occupying, well...

 

What's this corporate spending problem you speak of? If anything, there's much more of a government spending problem that needs to be addressed.

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I think we should! We can name it New world order propaganda, or at least "Alleged death of Osama Bin Laden and The Royal Wedding as recent means of diverting the attention of masses from the real problems in this world and people who are causing them...

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I've been in the middle as far as the reactions to the Bin Laden killing go.

 

I haven't been dancing in the streets or feeling the urge to shout joyfully about it.

 

I have also found the posts from people looking down on those expressions of joy to be a bit sanctimonious.

 

Some people say that Americans should behave better than the Palestinians and other Easterners who danced in the street after 9/11. I agree. I also think it is important to distinguish that the people dancing after 9/11 were celebrating the deaths of several thousand innocent, ordinary people. The buffoons celebrating Bin Laden's killing are celebrating the death of a terrorist.

 

There are many people in Al Queda left, not to mention many other enemies. I don't think for a moment Bin Laden's death will produce peace. During 9/11 I lived a few miles from the Pentagon. I could just have easily been taking a trip to NYC or been on any of those planes. I or someone I know could have just as easily been killed to satisfy a trustfund baby's anger at his rich parents. I do feel his death has been a positive development.

 

I usually enjoy conversing with European and vegans. Most of the time, they tend to look at things in a more sophisticated way than carnists or the average American do. I was disappointed to find both these groups talking down this event. I've noticed a tendency in both groups to have people who tend to "talk down their own team". That isn't how good things are built.

 

No offense to anyone.

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In agreeance with beforewisdom on this one. I don't expect this to really bring any peace, and who knows if it will bring more "bad" with it, but to know that the man is gone does make me feel marginally better, even if it makes little or no difference in the grand scheme of things.

 

I'm not celebrating as it won't undo what brought this all about in the first place, but I'm certainly not going to mourn the death of a man who helped orchestrate a terrible mass murder as if he deserves any sympathy whatsoever. Some people can only make the world a better place once they've left the building, and OBL is certainly one of those folks. If all reports are true regarding the way he was buried at sea in accordance with religious custom, that sadly is more dignity than anyone who died at the 9/11 attacks received in their moments after dying. For that, those who feel sorry for OBL can consider it his "parting gift" to show that even in the face of the person we considered our single worst enemy, we STILL treated things with more respect than he or his followers would have ever given us.

 

Now, to see how this plays out with Pakistan and the allegations that they'd known all along that he was being harbored for safety in their nation...

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I am really amazed how you take for granted what you see on TV and read in press and then create your various "opinions"... Have you ever thought about possibility that most of the things in media actually weren't true, and that you were being manipulated?

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I am really amazed how you take for granted what you see on TV and read in press and then create your various "opinions"... Have you ever thought about possibility that most of the things in media actually weren't true, and that you were being manipulated?

Meh, it very much depends on the media. Fox News? Manipulation (although subtle). NPR? Not so much.

 

My point is that you have to get the news somehow, and saying 'they are all biased, screw it' is not a better way to stay informed than listening to the news and trying to understand the spin they use...

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I am really amazed how you take for granted what you see on TV and read in press and then create your various "opinions"... Have you ever thought about possibility that most of the things in media actually weren't true, and that you were being manipulated?

Meh, it very much depends on the media. Fox News? Manipulation (although subtle). NPR? Not so much.

 

My point is that you have to get the news somehow, and saying 'they are all biased, screw it' is not a better way to stay informed than listening to the news and trying to understand the spin they use...

I actually watch CNN and BBC , but in a weird way: when they say "black" I hear "white" and vice versa. So, try this mechanism with their news on Osama Bin Laden, war on terror and 9.11 attacks - and you will get the idea about my opinion on the whole thing.

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The dude has already died 3 or 4 times already. This is indicative of him being a domesticated feline, in which case he still has at least 5 more lives. I wonder how he will go next time... exploding cigar? an anvil dropped on him from a cliff? also, i heard he was spotted in a denny's on an interstate in iowa.

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