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 Post subject: A couple interesting articles
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:47 pm 
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http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-test-tube-hamburger-ready-fall.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16972761

These talk about "making" meat using cow stem cells.

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Ugh that's even more gross to me, and still not Vegan.

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 Post subject: Re: A couple interesting articles
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It's interesting because it brings up some interesting debates about what is vegan and what it means to be vegan, but I think there is a previous thread about the topic that is quite large already.

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Urgh just go vegan, why do people want to make it so complicated.

"We're running out of space, raising animals for food is ineffective, we need an alternative."
"How about we eat something else?"
"What? Don't be ridiculous."

But I guess this notion is better than nothing, even if it's still remarkably unhealthy

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Richard wrote:
Urgh just go vegan, why do people want to make it so complicated.


Couldn't agree more.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:31 pm 
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Richard wrote:
Urgh just go vegan, why do people want to make it so complicated.

Because meat and dairy are delicious. If I could eat them ethically, I would.

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Well yeah, but they're working so hard on a convoluted solution to a problem which already has a much simpler solution. It's not like vegan food is repulsive

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blabbate wrote:
Because meat and dairy are delicious.


After 13 years of Veganism, I couldn't disagree more. Dairy, eggs, & meat smell overwhelmingly disgusting, like the dirtiest barn. Don't even get me started on sea animal. Every time I smell eggs frying in butter or ham esp, my stomach starts turning inside out.

& I haven't always reacted this way. I grew up on animal products & had my favorites that now repulse me. Taste buds & preferences change, especially when you start really taking care of your body - it really starts to work with you & crave sane choices for its nutrients.

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I cant even explain how disturbed I am by test tube meat...


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:12 am 
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Mina wrote:
blabbate wrote:
Because meat and dairy are delicious.


After 13 years of Veganism, I couldn't disagree more. Dairy, eggs, & meat smell overwhelmingly disgusting, like the dirtiest barn. Don't even get me started on sea animal. Every time I smell eggs frying in butter or ham esp, my stomach starts turning inside out.


Oh, my reactions have definitely changed too. Most of it is still fine, but every so often I'll get a smell that I used to love but now seems ... off. However, that doesn't change that when I was eating them, meat and dairy were delicious. I can totally understand people wanting to find an ethical way to keep eating them.

Of course, as Richard said, that doesn't mean it's worth it when they can simply go vegan. :)

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Ah, yes, my bad. You are right about that.

Certainly test tube meat is less cruel than what's going on now, I can't ignore that. However it still contributes to the idea that animals are ours to use as we please. Making it ok to eat test tube meat keeps the idea around that animals are still a backup.

Just to burst some bubbles, in case test tube meat looked like a step in the right direction, I can't believe all meat eaters will jump on the bandwagon either. I can just hear it now, the whole "health" aspect of real meat vs. franken meat, how nature makes it best, how feeding an animal certain foods enriches the meat you eat... like pot heads trying to spike their marijuana plants to increase the potency of their buzz.

And when we allow any kind of animal exploitation, even if "nicer", it opens the door to cruelty as people try to make it cheaper for more. At this time, I have no idea what that will look like.

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Trying to beat nature is a very bad, bad idea. I have been preaching this on the rooftops and I will until the day I die.

People are such BABIES about diet. I mean, pardon the pun, but this world is full of MILK BABIES that haven't been weened. God forbid you should mention anything related to a less than delicious meal to the wrong person, at the wrong time these days.

People are going to have to GROW UP sooner or later it may as well be now.

Edit: and I wasn't implying healthy eating is less than delicious. Its just that is how people associate things these days. Then they wonder why they are fat and diseased.

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Trying to beat nature is a very bad, bad idea. [...]

God forbid you should mention anything related to a less than delicious meal to the wrong person, at the wrong time these days.


Ugh 100% lol.

I see this ALL THE TIME at the health food store with supplements!
Customer: "what does it taste like, I mean, does it taste good?", supplement clerk: "well, no not really, but it has been known to help your condition tremendously", Customer: *scrunches up their face, & puts the bottle back* "you have anything else that might help?".... WOWUH!

Real food is so full of flavour one can't seem to grasp when they're used to junk. It's a darn shame.

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HorseSense wrote:
People are such BABIES about diet. I mean, pardon the pun, but this world is full of MILK BABIES that haven't been weened.

MILK BABIES sound delicious.

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Mina wrote:
Real food is so full of flavour one can't seem to grasp when they're used to junk. It's a darn shame.


Exactly!

People think eating vegan is so "bland" and won't "fill you up", but it actually becomes the opposite when you know what you're doing. I hear all the time "steak is so tasty". Right! So why is it you have to salt, pepper, and spice it, then cover it in sauce and dip it in ketchup? hmmmm

The longer and longer someone goes without such things the more clear it becomes what exactly they were doing and why. I love the fact that when I drink a serving of fresh orange juice I actually get a "high" off of it! Not a "bad" high like a sugar rush or anything like that, but one like if you drank a huge glass of V8 juice (which I used to drink but don't anymore). I can't even describe the feeling.

That's not even mentioning the TASTE of it that once you get away from all the made up JUNK, becomes extravagant! A double plus! If people only knew my daily experiences outside of their nutritionally absent soft drinks and "juice drinks". And that's just a beverage! What really lets me know I have it so good is the food. All the recipes out there! wow!

I'm making some (vegan) Cajun style red beans and rice today and it will be better than anything else they could possibly make on Mardi Gras! :popcorn:

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