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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:20 am 
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I may do a presentation on animals as a minority group...Does anyone know of some acts/law/policy that negatively impact animals? I'd like to incorporate veganism as one solution to the problem so if anyone has other solutions or things to say then i'd be happy if you posted them here.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:41 am 
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I know that the Humane Slaughter Act (and certainly its American counterpart) exclude certain food animals (like chickens and fish I think, but you would have to check with the USDA to be sure).

You know who would really know this? peta. if you email uinfo@peta.org and ask which laws and policies exclude animals, I am sure they will fire back a whole bunch of useful info.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:27 am 
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I support ya 100% College! Good luck mate!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:01 am 
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i'll have to email peta, that is a very good place to get some info. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:46 pm 
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hey college B!!
No problem. by the way that was info@peta.org - sorry about the typo there, but evrybody knows i suck at typing and dont always have the patience to proof read! :? :P

anywa, another interesting thing about the Humane Slaughter Act is that not only does it exclude chickens, and fish, etc. but even the animals that it does supposedly protect, it is still a useless piece of legilstaion because it is RARELY enforced by the USDA. And thus, it really doesnt protect any animals. you can call the USDA tro inquire about how many charges they have laid under that staute, to prove that it is hardly enforced, and like I said, peta will email you all kinds of info for free!

peta is a great resource, and no matter what mistakes it makes, this is one of its best attributes! :D

good luck and keep us posted college b!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:49 pm 
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i'll keep ya'll posted, but sofar my teacher has not emailed me back. i think I need to talk to her before or after class. Thank you all for your support!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:34 pm 
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Yeah so this is my blog on bb.com...anyhow I got this link and its to an article of why this lady hates vegetarians. I wrote her an email countering some of her points, maybe some of you would like to do the same. These uppity femenists really drive me crazy :D HaHa! http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story ... 27,00.html

Ohh yeah and don't appologize to her for her bad experiences. Nobody here did anything to this lady, and it would be like the muslims appologizing for 9/11 when they didnt do anything. She also never really specifies vegetarian or vegan, so maybe letting her know there is a difference would be good, i really didnt point that out. Or jsut dont bother her, whatever you want to do, it is your time, your life.
-Brian


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:20 pm 
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Here is what this ignorrant woman says. If you do write to her, please ensure that your letter does not prove her right!

Why I hate vegetarians

People should not be bullied into giving up meat by humourless, judgmental souls using spurious arguments

Julie Bindel
Monday June 13, 2005
The Guardian

Eating in a meat-free restaurant the other day made me realise why I hate vegetarians. The food, unlike the tasteless, bland rubbish often served up in such places, was delicious. Unusually for meatless cuisine, it had flavour and texture, and had even been seasoned. What was unpalatable were the customers and waiting staff, all of whom seemed to believe that what they were eating made them superior. They all looked smug and self-satisfied. It brought it home to me that most vegetarians - and I am largely excluding those who eschew meat for religious and cultural reasons - give themselves a bad name. They are better than you, don't you know? The atmosphere in the restaurant was one of pompous aloofness. I left with indigestion.

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People often assume I don't eat meat, because I am a feminist and vaguely of the left. I have turned up at dinner parties to find the host has assumed that at least one guest would be vegetarian, and served undercooked baked potatoes. What an atrocity! Why can they not put a chicken in the oven at the same time? Or is the sight of meat so offensive to veggies that they would pass out at the table?
Recent converts can be the worst. I have lost friends to the cult who, once they get fed the mantra from the militants, become something akin to ex-smokers. I am tired of feeling self-conscious in restaurants when ordering meat in front of them. No one should deny that factory-farmed animals are kept in the most appalling conditions, and that eating too much meat is bad for you. But look at their claims. Crusaders promote vegetarianism not only as healthy but as a solution to world hunger and a safeguard of the planet.

Do not assume living without animal products is always a positive, healthy choice. A vegan couple in American have recently been charged with child abuse for malnourishing their three small children. They had been brought up on a vegan diet from birth. There have been similar cases where children, who cannot choose what they eat, have had their health severely damaged because of their parents' principles. They are putting the welfare of animals before that of their children. Giving up meat and dairy has been linked to anorexia and other eating disorders in teenage girls. Lack of vitamin B12, found mainly in meats, eggs, dairy and fish, can cause brain damage. Most vegans, and some non-meat-eaters, have to supplement their diet with pills. In the developed world, vegetarianism is a privileged choice. How many working-class vegetarians do you know? It is not an option for most poor people in this country.

A veggie colleague once said of a woman with her three young children in a supermarket, "Have you seen those cheap beefburgers and pies she's feeding them? Why does she not go to the market, buy some fresh vegetables and make them all some nice, healthy soup?" Again that assumption that vegetarian and vegan foods are cheaper, which they are not, and that the mother had all the time in the world to prepare food from scratch.

Let's get our priorities right. People who put foxes and lambs before people do not have my vote. Animal liberationists blowing up scientists for conducting experiments that might lead to a cure for cancer are odious. There are more refuge spaces for cats than there are for women and their children fleeing domestic violence. While rape crisis centres are closing due to lack of funds, animal charities are raking it in.

Although vegetarianism is often seen as a "women's issue", there is a nasty, misogynistic wing that relies on sexist images and messages to convince people that meat is murder. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta) are the worst offenders. One of their early adverts features a woman dragging a fur coat behind her. She is captioned as a "dumb animal". Another has a woman having her fur coat ripped off in the street and clubbed to death by a man, to make the point that it is not nice to be killed for your coat. The actor who played Lolita in the 1997 remake became "the youngest star to pose naked for Peta's anti-fur campaign". The message is: treat women, not animals, like meat.

Those who think we should not eat meat because all life is sacred are naive. Would they be happy allowing mosquitoes to spread malaria, or having rats run loose in their home? Not all creatures are equal. There are natural hierarchies in the food chain.

People should be allowed to make their own choices and not be bullied or frightened into giving up meat. In the US recently, children in a secondary school were taken by their teachers to a slaughterhouse to show them how animals are killed for food. This tactic is a form of mind control, as unethical as discouraging young girls from having sex by making them watch a difficult childbirth.

I may hate vegetarians because they make me feel guilty, or because, meat being so delicious, they must have lots of willpower. But as an animal lover who agrees in principle with most reasons for giving up meat, I would rather not join that band of humourless, judgmental souls. It would seem that you are indeed what you eat.

· Julie Bindel is the founder of Justice for Women

juliebindel@yahoo.co.uk


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:39 am 
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I got an email back from my teacher and she said I could do animal rights for this presentation. Just so you all have an idea of what this is about I'll post her reply...

Brian,

Based on the brief information provided, I started thinking of a comparison format based on anthropocentrism. As you mentioned there are limitations as to the "rights" of animals specifically in the realm of animal cruelty. Likewise, what also comes to mind in a comparison are such concepts that relate to "fear"-- the text notes (i.e. Sinophobes, xenophobia, etc.) and how fear of the unknown is influential in human thinking (such as prejudice) and action (discrimination). Although the topic does not focus on specific human groups, it reveals elements to the development of human (cognitive) ideologies reflected in human behavior. In short, it seems like you have some conceptual framework to develop the topic--so I see this as one you should pursue. Certainly, if you need me to elaborate more, see me after class and we can discuss further.

Dr. Breaux-Schropp


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:34 pm 
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Hey College!

That's great that your prof is encouring you to pursue this presentation! Definietly take advantage of her willingness to help you develop the framework further.

Thanks so much for choosing to use this as an opportunity to educate people a little more on the exploitative and abusive relationship that humans have with animals. Maybe you will impact some people and get them thinking about issues they never really put their minds to before!!!!

Thanks again and good luck. Let us know if you need anthing. 8)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:52 pm 
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When I start working on it I'll post what ive got so you all can read it and I hope to do a power point. I am undecided as to whether to put pictures, especially the really nasty kind. I may expose how other minority movements used the vegetarian movement for support and then dumped it when they got power.


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Awesome man! I'm glad you got the green light to work on this project and cover some of the issues we've chatted about.

Good work.

Keep us posted and I guess you better get to work now :)

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:37 pm 
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Have you read "Animal Rights / Human Rights" by David Nibert? His book might be very helpful in providing facts for your presentation


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:36 pm 
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I'll see if I can get a hold of it... Our teacher is discouraging reading books because she thinks they could bias the report, but I don't agree with her. In a presentation you present a side as well as facts, so a book to support a side would be great. If I can't rent it though I'm not sure I can get it in time for the presentation which is due august 9th. If there is anything you would like to get in the presentation just post it or email it to me. I'll try to work it in but I have no material yet so it's kind of a first come first served deal.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:14 pm 
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I have been looking and the library has atleast 4 animal rights books. One is a Nilbert book from 2002 I dont think it is the same one recommended to me.


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