#39 Postby compassionategirl » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:01 pm
Damien,
I dont understand what the point of considering a hypothetical that is never going to happen. Animals cannot make moral decisions, we can. And thus, we should. While there are many further flaws and silliniess about the irrational argument that "animals eat meat, so why shouldnt we?" that can be pointed out which havent already been done so, i am not going to dignify that frankly pathetic argument and defense of UNNECESSARY meat eating with a further answer. Sorry if that seems harsh.
Not only can we make moral decisions, WE are not designed physiologically to eat meat. This is supported by both common sense and anthropological evidence. If you are unaware of this evidence, I can point you to some sources.
Furthermore, you later in that post are AGAIN describing a situation wherein people dont have a choice - where it is hunt for food, or die of starvation. When we eat Turkey on Thanksgiving, you DO have a "choice". The choice not to eat Turkey and thereby the choice not pay the Turkey murderer and support the Turkey industry. I have repeatedly stated, rather clearly (or so i thought) that the UNECESSARY human killing for food is plainly and simply wrong/veil/morally culpable or whatever. I am really not a fan of getting hung up on semantics. The principle, the moral argument, is clearly there, and canot be diminished by semantic acrobatics.
BOTTOM LINE: Killing, murdering, animals for food when it is not necessary to do so for your own survival is unethical, immoral, wrong, bad, indefensible, inexcusable, evil, bad....take your pick. But i think the point is clear. Killing animals because you like to taste of their flesh is no more ethical or acceptable than killing animals because simply you like the feel of their fur and want it for your own back (again, not talking about a do or die situation here). There is no relevant difference.
I am not picking on you, for the record, and I have tremendous respect for your ENTIRE vegan family. Although I wish your veganism was also motivated by ethical/animal reasons, in which case, I dont think you would see Thanksgiving turkey as a treat. I know you never described eating Turkey as a treat, but you said you are a vegan who eats it in Thanksgiving, so hence, the idea that maybe you see Thanksgiving Turkey as a treat?
at any rate, you are vegan - which is the bottom line and the most important thing. And no, you havent lost any friends or credibility. heck, if everybody cut each other off because they did not agree with something that that person said, how could any progress be made? It is critical to keep the debate ongoing, but i must admit i do get frustrated with irrational, pathetic excuses which are offered as an 'argument' in defense of eating animals when one neednt do so to survive.
peace
Editted to add: I see your post in which you acknowledge that humans arent designed for meat, a belief that is obviously reflected in your whole lifestyle and the lifestyle you have chosen for your family. So please ignore that part of my post.
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compassionategirl on Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.