Yeah, something that kills out of necessitationalization can't be said to be wrong or evil, where as something which chooses to kill for no reason can be, in my pinyun.
Exactly. As Vegans, we are responsible still for killing living things, but this is from situations which we cannot control.
One thing that gets to me is how the anti-vegans bring up ideas such as "animals are killed for your food" and "when you use a car, you kill insects". That is totally different from their position. They do not see the difference between how animals may die for our food, compared to their concious decision of sending an animal in there to be tortured for their entire life. The animals we may kill through our food is not intentional, unlike theres. We do not subjugate them in a life long torture, like they do. And we try to take the best alternative we can to eliminate the suffering, which they do not.
I can bring up some statements on them, such as how Mc Donalds and other corporations are responsible for starving in the third world, how buying diamonds, shoes, etc. helps child labor, etc.