Vegan Bodybuilding & Fitness

Hehe, I hope so.

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Welcome ljk11! My advice: Open your eyes and mind and do not stick to your socialisation! Even if people in this forum do not find the right words to convince you, what they say about veganism is still right.

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Got Milk?

Also it might be worth mentioning that industrial scale fishing is asociated with serious environmental problems.

Hi,
Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. I'm happy to not get flamed for admitting I do eat fish.

one other question - I eat free-range, cruelty-free (from a local farm where the chickens roam and get to eat what they want) eggs...how is this a bad thing?

I personally would say that this is WAY better than the other alternatives that you could choose out there, so thanks for going with this than the factory farmed ones, those are just terrible it brings tears to my eyes.

I am not sure if there is anything wrong with this, but there are people here that are more knowledgeable on that subject so I will keep my mouth shut.

Hey, here's what I said in another thread about eggs, which includes free-range:

- Chickens are kept in captivity
- Egg farming is linked with slaughter; male chickens often (usually) killed straight away because there is no use for them.
- Chickens have been bred / engineered to make far more eggs than their bodies are naturally equipped to make.
- They're not allowed to have sex - they're cut off from males altogether to avoid fertilization. While necessary in the industry, it is just another thing that shows how shitty the chickens lives are.
- You can't get consent from the chickens to take their eggs

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Do you really want to eat the embruyo of another species?

I think the biggest thing is just that it perpetuates the idea of using animals for food. It perpetuates a nonvegan ideology and causes others to be more likely to continue eating meat/supporting factory farming, etc.

Not to mention the fact that laying an egg is part of a hen's menstrual cycle (or as one of my friends said, "it came out of a chicken's butt").

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mmm....chicken butt....

technically it's not an embryo unless it's been fertilized.

I'd think the menstrual cycle would be what caught your mind




Good point.



Doesn't the term Free Range mean that they get to walk around and aren't in captivity?

I didn't know about the other things you mentioned...

I thought it was just the hen lays the eggs and people pick it up.

Free range means they have more room to walk about in, but they're kept within the confines of the farm, they're not allowed to go wherever they want. So it's still captivity I mean, if someone put you in the same situation as the chickens, you'd call it captivity; you're not free.

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Well are they outside, not in some barn? Can they walk throughout the entire farmland? Or is it within a hen house?

It depends from farm to farm how they treat them and how big their area is. However, regardless of how big it is, they're not allowed out. Like if you had a prisoner, and he was allowed to walk around the whole prison, he's still prisoner he can't leave the prison.

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