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It depends from farm to farm how they treat them and how big their area is. However, regardless of how big it is, they're not allowed out. Like if you had a prisoner, and he was allowed to walk around the whole prison, he's still prisoner :P he can't leave the prison.


AH ok thanks for the clarification. I do not know how hens are in their natural habitat, sadly I have never seen such a thing! :cry: There are some farms that do care a lot about their animals though, the family owned farms of course, which are getting pushed out by corps.


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Also there are no free range standards so some chickens may get a few feet to walk around in, some may get half an acre.


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The place i get my eggs from, the man selling them said he's been to the farm and it's a small, independent local one that is the old-fashioned type, how things 'used' to be before factory farming became the norm, and that the chickens have a lot of room.
Still, I suppose it's not optimal...


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I think "not optimal" is not the right term to descripe captivity, murder and exploitation. Threating the animals in a more "human" way is not a solution at all. There is no right way to kill all male chicken, murder the old hens and take their eggs away for human consumption.

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ljk11......I just reigistered here today , I am vegan but I also spend some time lurking around the oxygen board...I swear I recognize your avatar...were you a vegetarian in the past?


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All Zen, I have seen you on the O2 board...your avatar is black and white and red, right? It's some sort of foreign character.

Yes, I am on that board...you are not imagining things.

I love vegetarian food and have never been completely vegetarian but things are moving that way more and more ... I don't eat meat actually but I do eat fish.

Vegan would be a real challenge because egg whites are one of the few things that don't make me ill that ARE protein rich and are NOT meat... My stomach is crazy...
I do buy organic free range eggs from a non factory farm...

<preparing to get bashed for admitting this on a vegan board> :roll:


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Maybe we should surprise ljk11 by not bashing her. She already seems to know what is right or wrong but still needs some more time to act the right way... :wink:

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Well, I can use some suggestions....
I will admit to being a little selfish here....I have a nasty digestive system. Egg whites don't upset it and are a great protein source.

I like the fact they're low fat, too...

What is a tasty, convenient low fat source of cheap vegan protein?
Anyone!!?

Thanks flanders, I appreciate it. :)


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I don't think you'll find something that fits those criteria, egg whites are notorious for being one of the best sources of protein. But you can get all the protein you need without eggs. If you are really concerned by the amount of protein you require, you can look at all the other food you eat, and work out how much protein you're getting from each and how many calories and fat etc. I don't believe you will fall apart and your muscles will turn to dust if you stop eating eggs :P

Another way to think of it is, at the very worst, which is very unlikely anyway, you can eat more of a different food with more calories and / or more fat, and the same amount of protein, and then you can do a little more cardio? Not sure if this is logical, but it sounds it. Personally, I don't think this is a necessary approach. How much protein do you aim for, what other foods are you able to digest?


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I have a nasty digestive system. Egg whites don't upset it and are a great protein source.

What do you mean by "nasty". What does not upset it?
I do not agree that it is a great source for protein. as I wrote in another topic: "Just don`t worry about protein. The whole debate is just waste of time. If you eat a great variaty of vegan UNPROCESSED food it is just not possible to get to little protein. When you get informed how the whole "high-quality-protein-debate" started (2 scientist, some rats and egg protein :wink: ) about 100 years or so ago, you will recognise that wasting your time with thinking about it is rather silly... :wink:"

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I like the fact they're low fat, too...


It is low fat, you are right. But looking here will show you that it has only 10,9 % protein. Tofu has 10,4. And it is plant based meaning better for your health and everything else...

What is a tasty, convenient low fat source of cheap vegan protein?
Anyone!!? See above...

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Yeah i don't believe the hype about protein being as important as people say it is, but if someone does want to really get down to it and get tonnes of protein, they can still do that and get it elsewhere in a vegan diet


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I have a nasty digestive system. Egg whites don't upset it and are a great protein source.
What do you mean by "nasty". What does not upset it?


By nasty, I mean many foods upset my whole digestive system. It becomes a challenge to eat. Right now I'm back into the "I'd rather be hungry than deal with the results of what happens when I eat." (booo)
I've looked into things for many years and it's a whole other story. My GP hasn't been all that helpful. Soon I'm seeing a very good doctor who I have been referred to who I'm really confident will figure me out. She is renowned for it and has helped a lot of people get their lives back so to speak.

I've learned through a lot of experimenting that I should avoid wheat, oats, gluten, and pretty much all grains. I don't know why but they kill me. Dairy is out (a non issue here!) as well.

Well, here is what I can eat without getting basically incapacitated by cramps, gas, bloating and a lot of digestive, er "issues":
eggs, fish, chicken (clearly unvegan)
-some fruit (not mangoes, not pineapple - darn, they're so good)
-cooked vegetables (broccoli, spinach, cauliflower, etc. and I LOVE veggies)
- squash and sweet potatoes
-Soy protein powder isolate
-Tofu - however I hear too much soy has its own health pitfalls
- tempeh / LOVE IT
- hemp protein (but it's so grainy....can you help?)
- Beans and lentils in moderation -
-healthy fats like nuts and good oils
- Normal things like spices, seasonings, miso, vinegar, mustard etc...
I'm a great cook and am willing to spend time preparing things.

Please do inform me about how the debate started. Why do bodybuilders/physique athletes place so much emphasis on high protein if it really doesn't matter? I agree first and foremost is to eat ENOUGH calories, but doesn't the relative ratio of the macronutrients also play a key role in body composition/muscle recovery? I am interested in being unbrainwashed about the protein. I do think it's important to get some at each meal, I find if you eat all carbs and nothing else that you get hungry waaaay faster... no? Doesn't protein slow the digestion of the carbs?
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s just not possible to get to little protein. When you get informed how the whole "high-quality-protein-debate" started (2 scientist, some rats and egg protein :wink: ) about 100 years or so ago, you will recognise that wasting your time with thinking about it is rather silly... :wink:"


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Where do you get 10.9%?

I see 48 cals out of 52 cals from protein for egg whites...that's over 90% from cals from protein

Whereas the tofu has 36 out of 96 cals from protein, meaning less than half?

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It is low fat, you are right. But looking here will show you that it has only 10,9 % protein. Tofu has 10,4. And it is plant based meaning better for your health and everything else...


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ljk11 wrote:
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I have a nasty digestive system. Egg whites don't upset it and are a great protein source.
What do you mean by "nasty". What does not upset it?


By nasty, I mean many foods upset my whole digestive system. It becomes a challenge to eat. Right now I'm back into the "I'd rather be hungry than deal with the results of what happens when I eat." (booo)
I've looked into things for many years and it's a whole other story. My


Lauren,

The whole eating thing - something that so many of us take for granted - must be such a challenge/pain in the ass for you. :( I sympathize with your situation and admire your efforts to eat more compassionately :D under your very difficult circumstances. :(

peace :D

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