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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:54 am 
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I'm pretty sure I have seen it.

When I say "I refuse to believe" something, you have to bear in mind that I will not form a belief without learning both sides. There are many sides to an argument and it is up to the individual to believe what makes most sense to them.

It is interesting what you said about lack of food though, I do believe that plant foods were developed as a back up food source (when such plants became available), it has been shown that neanderthals (early carnivorous humans) in Spain had a supply of grains and tubers in the cave they settled in when the environment around them became completely inhospitable (they eventually resorted to cannibalism however so I don't know what message we can take from that). It has been shown time and time again that with the help of agriculture, humanity has had a much more stable and abundant food source that stores well and provides sufficient calories, advanced society could not exist as we know it without that.

Hey look HxC_Nismo, Lyric is being civil and we are having a nice civil conversation despite them thinking I am ignorant and uninformed!

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Ok I am not in favor of eating meat at all but I feel that if society is going to continue to eat meat we should get big farms to change the way they breed, raise and slaughter animals. I know there is really no humane way to kill them but letting them die slowly is wrong. I don't think in this day and age we need all the meat that our ancestors ate because we have it more readily available instead of having to hunt for and ration it out. I don't ever see myself eating meat again nor do I miss it. I love being vegan and my body is much happier now that I am. But that is my 2 cents.

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Big farms will continue to grow and their methods will become much less humane. The problem is we have a MASSIVE population on earth right now being supported by cereal crops that saved us all and made civilization as we know it. Nature is being completely destroyed just by growing those cereal crops. When you buy soy, rice, wheat, you are supporting the destruction of nature, the destruction of soil, the poisoning and murder of wild animals. You can only regain control over that when you understand the effect of our very existence on our natural surroundings. People need to take the risk of providing only for themselves and those around them with small farms. We have the technology, knowledge and ability to do that now. You are all being kept alive at the expense of nature.

You think you are all being humane by not eating the flesh of animals that are born and raised to be killed while participating in a system of destruction of the natural world; intelligent animals used to roaming forests, flying through trees, not bred through thousands of years to be placid, stupid and to accept their fate.

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The reason I became vegan... I was constantly sick and by eliminating meat from my diet I stopped getting sick. I still have my seasonal allergy problem and the occasional cold but I haven't been sick like everyone else around me. I know that we are destroying the earth and taking way from the wild life which is sad. I support small local farms more than big company. I grow my food and try to preserve it as it comes in. I am not perfect and I am not the smartest crayon in the box but I am slowly getting there :)

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You're a weird one, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. I've never known anyone be intolerant of meat like that before. It is great to know people are living the way you are, certainly with those same intentions and beliefs.

I will be honest now and admit I am 'trolling', but only in the sense that I am trying to squeeze opinions and information out of people.

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I love being weird lol so no offense is taken.

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Tarzan wrote:
Big farms will continue to grow and their methods will become much less humane. The problem is we have a MASSIVE population on earth right now being supported by cereal crops that saved us all and made civilization as we know it. Nature is being completely destroyed just by growing those cereal crops. When you buy soy, rice, wheat, you are supporting the destruction of nature, the destruction of soil, the poisoning and murder of wild animals. You can only regain control over that when you understand the effect of our very existence on our natural surroundings. People need to take the risk of providing only for themselves and those around them with small farms. We have the technology, knowledge and ability to do that now. You are all being kept alive at the expense of nature.

You think you are all being humane by not eating the flesh of animals that are born and raised to be killed while participating in a system of destruction of the natural world; intelligent animals used to roaming forests, flying through trees, not bred through thousands of years to be placid, stupid and to accept their fate.


The bolded parts I totally agree with!

However, what I italicized I have a small bit to put it: Almost all of the corn, arguably the most destructive crop in the states, is grown to feed cattle. The GMO, subsidized crop that is destroying the land and the animals (humans included) on the land, is grown to fed animals who were not evolved to eat that food. When you stop eating cows, you stop that cycle. If everyone stopped eating cows, and after the earth somehow (big question mark, because some would say it can't) be restored back to healthy land, we would have so much more land, because between the land where cattle are raised (which is wasteland) and the land where the corn for the cows is grown, you would free up so much poisoned land to regrow. (wow I really started to ramble)

I would agree with your statements more if it wasn't for the simple fact that corn industry is how it is, with all the land it takes up, and it mostly being grown for cows.

I think the basic idea is doing the least harm. At least that's where my family and I are at. We try to do the least harm possible to ourselves and the world around us. This means buying from small farms, food co-ops, growing what we can, and we really do get almost everything we need that way. Then again, we live in the beautiful Pacific Northwest where it's a bit easier.

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Lyric wrote:
The bolded parts I totally agree with!

However, what I italicized I have a small bit to put it: Almost all of the corn, arguably the most destructive crop in the states, is grown to feed cattle. The GMO, subsidized crop that is destroying the land and the animals (humans included) on the land, is grown to fed animals who were not evolved to eat that food. When you stop eating cows, you stop that cycle. If everyone stopped eating cows, and after the earth somehow (big question mark, because some would say it can't) be restored back to healthy land, we would have so much more land, because between the land where cattle are raised (which is wasteland) and the land where the corn for the cows is grown, you would free up so much poisoned land to regrow. (wow I really started to ramble)

I would agree with your statements more if it wasn't for the simple fact that corn industry is how it is, with all the land it takes up, and it mostly being grown for cows.

I think the basic idea is doing the least harm. At least that's where my family and I are at. We try to do the least harm possible to ourselves and the world around us. This means buying from small farms, food co-ops, growing what we can, and we really do get almost everything we need that way. Then again, we live in the beautiful Pacific Northwest where it's a bit easier.

Rambling is fine!

You make a very good point actually, humans only consume about 9% of corn grown in the US. It is probably the same with Soy.
Also consider though that the fact that so much of that is grown to feed animals that it keeps the volume available for human consumption high and the cost low. In the USA you have vast plains available for growing crops, if all domestic animals disappeared from earth, the same crops would still be grown to feed the growing population of the world. Also consider that if they stopped growing corn on those vast swathes of land it would turn to desert.

I'm not even talking about the USA though, I am talking about the world. The problem really is the population of the world and that would not even be an issue if not for modern farming practices.

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divamom wrote:
trolling is one thing, as is honesty; and it was quite obvious to me- and probably others, after your answers earlier but, being an ass is another. I don't care how strong or smart one is...an ass is an ass. You have all the makings there as you swing on the vine, Tarzan.

I limit my 'discussion stimulating' posts to my own threads, if you do not like the tone of them then leave. Thank you for your opinion anyway.

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Tarzan wrote:
I'm not even talking about the USA though, I am talking about the world. The problem really is the population of the world and that would not even be an issue if not for modern farming practices.


I couldn't agree more with that. To me, overpopulation is the largest problem facing the planet, well, overpopulation combined with rampant over consumption.

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Hello everyone :) I'm a 20 year old male, weigh 127 lbs. and I'm a pescetarian for 5 months. I have a couple of questions and maybe I can get some advice from you guys :) I'm trying to transition to vegetarianism and eventually veganism as soon as possible but I'm having some trouble. For one I don't know how to cook that well, but thank goodness for my mom helping me out because I wouldn't be able to keep up with this diet. (Of course I'm learning on my own whenever I can) I also go to college 4 days a week so I don't even know what to take to school to eat because a lot of my food is cooked. I believe I'm struggling because I just don't have the knowledge that I need to transition properly. Did anyone here have the same problem? Where did you guys find info on how to find new foods and substitutes for the food you were already eating? So far the only thing that is preventing me from being a vegan is cheese and fish. I already eliminated all dairy except the cheese. The problem is that I make so many different foods with cheese. I make perogies, pancakes with cheese, cheese sandwiches, and use cheese as a topping for some foods. I don't eat fish as often but when I do it's only fried Cod or tuna from a can for supper usually, but that's because I don't have any ideas on what else to make. I quit drinking cow's milk and eating meat the same day. After about 2 days I developed sores on the back of my tongue and had yellow/white stuff on my tongue. At first I thought I had some kind of reaction to switching to Soy Milk. I dropped that and went to Almond milk but the Sores didn't go away. I still have them now but I don't get the white stuff on my tongue anymore. Should I be worried about the sores or is this some kind of detoxification from the cow's milk or meat I stopped eating? Thank you so much :) Mike. PS. What kind of water do you guys drink (I drink Smart Water) because I can't find info on which one's have the least amount of Fluoride.

Oops forgot to put that I still eat eggs which I can't even imagine how to take out of my diet since it's eggs for breakfast, in sandwiches. I don't know how to do this lol :P


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Hi there, you may check out some of Colleen Patrick Goudreau's books and her podcast, they are very helpful, and she is simply amazing!!

I have never heard of such a reaction from quitting milk, usually people feel instantly better, their skin clears up, and they stop having stomach problems. I would guess your sores are from something else.

I drink tap water!

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Lyric wrote:
Hi there, you may check out some of Colleen Patrick Goudreau's books and her podcast, they are very helpful, and she is simply amazing!!

I have never heard of such a reaction from quitting milk, usually people feel instantly better, their skin clears up, and they stop having stomach problems. I would guess your sores are from something else.

I drink tap water!


Thanks I'll check her out :)


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