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You live in a forest where? That cool, living off the land is a dying art. Awesome you get the best of both worlds, you live in the forest and you still have internet access. Welcome to the league, I mean, forum. haha.

 

-Dylan

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Indeed, it is nice living in a forest. It truly feels like the most natural place to be living.

 

I must admit now, I am sure it will come out eventually, I work in an abattoir. I kill and dress animals 3 days of the week. The vegan diet started, for me, as an experiment which seems to be going well so far. Anyone who wants to get hostile over that fact can in advance get fucked, I am open to intelligent discussion about this as in everything.

 

I might come across as hostile or detached at times, that is how I am, but these are some things I would love to discuss:

 

-Fermentation & brewing

-Foraging and sustainable living

-Weight lifting

-NUTRITION on a vegan diet especially! I find most vegans I meet have TERRIBLE diets.

 

Again, I look forward to talking to many fun and interesting people

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I was previously a pure carnivore, supplemented with a little fermented food. I did not believe it was possible to be as healthy as I was without eating meat or any animal product. I will repeat to clarify that this is an experiment

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Well, I started veganism for weight loss, I confess I became vegan by accident. Of course, I started reading and researching, onne thing led to the other, and after watching many documentaries I can honestly say I've stayed vegan for humane reasons. I wouldn't have lasted with such shallow reasons as vanity.

 

You should not be so defensive. But you should also know that most of us here love animals. Try to stay open to this lifestyle, listen and observe without judging or building a wall. I preach kindness to all, that includes other people wwhose opinions and beliefs might differ from mine.

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I am very open, I want to hear people's opinions but most of the time, with this subject, I am just bombarded with hatred and nobody learns anything. While I recognize that there are some terrible things going on with factory farming and other inhumane practices, I cannot say I would remain vegan for ethical reasons. The animals I deal with exist purely for the purpose of the meat trade, live VERY good lives (if sometimes a little short), they are treated with great kindness and killed humanely. Sadly this is not the case in most other places.

 

Thank you to everyone who has welcomed me so far

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Welcome BTW my vegan diet started as an experiment too about 3 years ago. I have lifted weights for over 20 years and I've been a competitive power lifter and bodybuilder. I became a vegan for vanity reasons and I have stayed a vegan for other reasons but if this diet would have interfered with my ability to grow muscle and be strong I would have dropped it, luckily the opposite was true

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I will have to disagree with you there Lawsonsj, when I was on a high meat diet I found I was much stronger for my weight, I found it very easy to stay lean and build muscle.

 

No problem everybody's different. I know that I feel much better on this side of the fence I hope your experiment works for you and you stay a vegan. BTW If I can offer in any advice on your diet let me know. I have helped a lot of folks that are bodybuilders and powerlifters and folks that just want to get their food to work for them.

 

Oh BTW here is a link to my journal viewtopic.php?t=27490 not to bad for a girl

 

Take care

Sandra

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wow..a forest. Ergo..Tarzan.

 

slaughterhouse. hmmm. Interesting...as we all have to make a living...would be interested in how that came about, as its certainly a unique occupation!

 

I have a great diet, as you pointed out a lot of vegans don't......been veg/ vegan close to 34 years...and like Sandra, have worked with peeps for years- training, etc...but mostly women as well...its YOUR thread. I wouldn't know what to do with meat, and at one point was told I would have the body of my dreams if I ate meat. I guess I will still dream.

 

Forest, eh? Clue on which continent?

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nawww...a lot of vegans have bad diets...but a lot of meat eaters do, too! Sandra is also our resident, "Rabbi", so a wise woman, indeed!

 

I just happen to be one of the organic granola'y head types, and I try to stay away from processed things...and it seems MANY here on this site are more concerned with good nutrition as well. I work in the Natural Foods Industry, so, its a way of life, but always open to learning, and do a bit from peeps all over, including this board.

 

killing comes naturally...hmmm...like Dexter!

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It is important to always remember there is a natural order in this world, whether you are a rabbit in a carrot patch, a lamb in a slaughterhouse or an armed to the teeth warlord, there is always someone willing and able to fuck your shit up. My whole life has been a process of coming to terms with that. Dexter... I don't know but it seems to be a TV show of some kind.

 

I think we can agree that people from any walk of life are likely to have poor nutrition, there seems to be a policy of misinforming the population regarding diet. I am always glad to learn from anyone who has a passion for health, again, from any walk of life.

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Tarzan just so you know humans were never omnivores, only society has evolved into eating animals, but yet the human body has not.

Cool story bro.

 

Actually if you're looking for a discussion, humans do in fact descend from creatures that were herbivores with the occasional scavenging (as most animals will do given the chance), but that was our only common ancestor with chimpanzees and millions of years ago. Humans are not efficient predators, very true, but evolution has given us the ability to overcome that through intelligence and use of tools (like chimpanzees), our bodies have adapted in that time to consume the flesh of animals and through millions of years of evolution we no longer have the ability to efficiently digest plant matter. We do not share the same digestive system as any herbivore, we cannot digest fibrous plant matter and get anywhere near the nutrients that ruminants can. Any society that has become dependent on plant foods has been shown to be weaker, sicker and less robust than their meat eating counterparts.

 

I think it is cool that people can make the choice to eat only plant derived foods and still be healthy (thanks modern innovation!) But I will not believe that man has evolved as a herbivore.

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did you even watch the video lol, we are the only so called omnivore on this entire planet that has to cook our meat just so the bacteria does not kill us, not to mention we cant stand the smell of rotting dead animals but yet EVERY OMNIVORE/CARNIVORE loves the smell of rotting flesh. Human society may have evolved into eating dead flesh, but the human body has not. That is why we have a HUGE health epidemic that about 80% of the diseases/disorders/cancers etc etc is all cause by eating animal based foods. You should really start doing some real research and see the REAL truth. Our so called omnivore intestines/digestive track is 3-5x's longer then every single omnivore/carnivore on this planet which means our bodies absorb way higher cholestrol levels then any other omnivore. Tarzan its just science and biology of the human anatomy that speaks the truth, the propaganda that we were all raised in is finally taking its toll on the human species. WAKE UP BUDDY

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I used to eat raw meat all the time, I know plenty of people who do. Cooking meat has only become necessary in recent times.

 

Grains and beans have only been available to ANY humans in the past 10,000 years.

 

In about the same time all the fruits and vegetables you are familiar have been selectively bred to be any use to humans at all.

 

Dietary cholesterol is GOOD for you.

 

Just because our intestine are longer than any other carnivores DOES NOT mean we are adapted to a vegan diet.

 

You assume I am ignorant to these things, but I am not. You really need to bring more to the discussion than a few propaganda videos.

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