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 Post subject: Good Evening from Sirdle!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:00 pm 
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Hello everybody,

I was passing through this website a few days ago, looking for some bodybuilding tips, and got sucked in by the variety of the posts here. I have posted a few replies, myself, and compassionategirl suggested I introduce myself. So here goes:

Yeah, that's a picture of me. It's a few years old, though. I am 41 now, but that was the last time I had a killer body, so I thought I'd use that pic. These days I work too much and don't spend enough time with my friends or my wife, but I am working on changing all that. (The son of a friend of mine, who is six, said I am a workaholic. I asked him if he knew what that meant. He said, "That's when you work all the time, and don't have time for a snack! :P )

I started a nutrition and exercise program 2 months ago: I've dropped my body fat from 27% to 25%; dropped resting heart rate from 57bpm to 51bpm, and spent a week with my wife and one of her nieces playing card games, visiting museums, and eating vegan food. (I am not vegan or vegetarian... yet.)

I love good music and I am curious about life, the universe, and everything. If all goes well, my wife and I will have kayaks in a few weeks. Can't wait to get on the water...


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 Post subject: Re: Good Evening from Sirdle!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:40 pm 
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sirdle wrote:

Yeah, that's a picture of me. It's a few years old, though. I am 41 now, but that was the last time I had a killer body, so I thought I'd use that pic. .. (The son of a friend of mine, who is six, said I am a workaholic. I asked him if he knew what that meant. He said, "That's when you work all the time, and don't have time for a snack! :P )




aaawwwww you were such a cute boy!!!!!! and that is a funny story - i like your sense of humour already sirdle!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

thanks for making me laugh!!! With you and the other funny man SkinnyDipper (Dan) on this site, this place is getting more entertaining by the day!!!!

Anyways, an official "Welcome" and I am sure you will have a flood of warm welcomes by tomorrow night!!! :D

peace :D 8)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:10 am 
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Welcome new friend!

Thanks for discovering our site and for joining. It is great to have you here. Yes, Compassionategirl is great about encouraging others to participate, and welcoming everyone. She is also a very inspiring activist and writer on this forum.

Great to hear that you were able to spend time with your wife and take a break from work. I know I don't know a whole lot about life yet (I'm just 25) but I do know that sometimes we neglect some of the things that really matter most in life........that could be our health, our relationships, family, friends, the environment, animals, etc.

Glad to hear you are seeing some progress on your training as well!

Keep up the awesome work and it really is great to have you here.

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Thanks for sharing your story and welcome!

Congratualtions on your road to being healthy. Great to hear that you are putting work aside for your family. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and we will help you to the best of our ability. Good day!


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:57 pm 
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Thanks, everyone, for the welcome! It is nice to be here.

Here is where I am at:
6', 230#, 25%bf, 41yo, carnivore

Here is where I want to be:
6', 185#, <15% bf, 28yo, vegetarian

Shortterm Goals:
Cardio --- 2 hrs/wk at my target heart rate, running or eliptical trainer
Weight Training --- 2 hours, 3 times/wk
Nutrition --- 50% complex carbs, 20% simple carbs, 20% protein, 10% fat
Food Quality --- vegetarian
Weight --- continue to lose 0.5% to 1% bf each month for the next 18 months

Longterm Goals
Cardio --- 4 hrs/wk at my target heart rate, running, kayaking, cross-country skiing, bicycling
Intervals --- twice per week
Weight Training --- 2 hours, 3 times/wk
Nutrition --- 50% complex carbs, 15% simple carbs, 25% protein, 10% fat
Food Quality --- vegan
Weight --- once I get to 15% bf, decide on new goals vs effort

My workout is going well, but I have a lot of trouble with getting enough caloies with only 10% fat. When I am at home working, I eat all day long and I can get 2200 caloies, but when I am away from home, I get all light headed from lack of food and end up eating a bunch of fat and meat at a fast food place :oops:.

Thanks for your support, I'll keep you posted.


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sirdle wrote:
My workout is going well, but I have a lot of trouble with getting enough caloies with only 10% fat. When I am at home working, I eat all day long and I can get 2200 caloies, but when I am away from home, I get all light headed from lack of food and end up eating a bunch of fat and meat at a fast food place :oops:.


I eat a very low fat vegan diet. I am typically around the 8-10% fat range, although I do splurge from time to time. These are my thoughts based on my experience.

- I eat 6 meals a day, eating every 2 - 3 hours.
- I try to make them about equal quantity to keep blood sugar regulated.
- If I get hungry before I eat, it is usually too late, and I pig out, so the trick for me has been to eat before I am hungry.
- It takes a lot of planning and patience to pack food in advance of being away from home (I work at home too). I always pack a snack whenever I go out just in case. I also read somewhere that a good trick is to keep a stash of healthy snacks in the car, just in case. Dried fruit are good for this.
- I don't know if you eat whole grains or not, but I find that the less refined the food, the longer it sustains me at the same calorie level. I think the fiber helps to slow the release of carbohydrates into your system, making them last longer.
- Beans are also really good at packing in calories, plus all the fiber also makes them sustain your energy longer.
- Fruit juice and dried fruit can also help to increase calories, but be careful, it is really easy to eat too much.

Don't know if this helps or not, but it has been working good for me.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:05 pm 
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Sirdle, who gave you this:

Quote:
Shortterm Goals:
Cardio --- 2 hrs/wk at my target heart rate, running or eliptical trainer
Weight Training --- 2 hours, 3 times/wk
Nutrition --- 50% complex carbs, 20% simple carbs, 20% protein, 10% fat
Food Quality --- vegetarian
Weight --- continue to lose 0.5% to 1% bf each month for the next 18 months

Longterm Goals
Cardio --- 4 hrs/wk at my target heart rate, running, kayaking, cross-country skiing, bicycling
Intervals --- twice per week
Weight Training --- 2 hours, 3 times/wk
Nutrition --- 50% complex carbs, 15% simple carbs, 25% protein, 10% fat
Food Quality --- vegan
Weight --- once I get to 15% bf, decide on new goals vs effort


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:25 pm 
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Thanks dtougas,

Yeah, brown rice, whole wheat pasta, beans, I try to eat unrefined foods whenever I can.

The tips about good snacks in the car and eating before I get hungry are good ones... I'm all over 'em. And of course, planning out what food to take with me when I am away from home is the next big step.


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Well Kollision,

It is really a mixture of advice. Let's see:

Cardio: this is my own goal. I think the aerobics will help me to burn off the fat and it's a lot of fun for me. (20 years ago I used to race bicycles. That is the only thing I ever wanted to do in life. I had so much fun... I would love to regain some of that fitness.)

Weight Training: I am starting with a program form one of Bill Pearl's books. I am doing 3 sets, 3 times/wk. But I morphed it out of recognition by adding extra exercises. Pearl's recommendation was 45-60 min per session. I should probaby cut my workout down smaller, but I am afraid to leave anything out.

Nutrition: The general advice of reducing fat and protein and eating more fruits and vegetables and beans and whole grains comes from a variety of sources. These particular percentages, however, come from a book by Dr. Robert Hass called Eat to Win which was a favorite of mine when I racing. The goal is to help me reduce my body fat, high triglyceride level, high cholesterol, high uric acid, etc. Some of these recommendations are supported by Covert Bailey in his Fit or Fat series of books.

Food Quality: Seems like a darn good idea to me.

Weight: When I lose weight too fast, I find that I lose a lot of muscle. I am hoping that 1% per month body fat reduction is attainable. Bailey suggests that anything over 15%bf is not healthy. How low can I go? I don't know. It will depend on how much effort it takes to get lower.

I know you had a reason for asking... there must something on your mind. I'd be happy to hear your suggestions. :)


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:11 am 
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Hi there Sirdle,

Thanks for the explanation on your diet as well as your regime. Heres a few things that i need to know.

At the moment, you are doing 2 hours of cardio per week. How many sessions of cardio are you doing, at what intensity, and how long each session? Is this at the same day you are doing weights? As for weight training, you really have it right on the nail. 40 minutes is about the right amount for someone to be in the gym for.

I also think that the carbohydrate intake is pretty high, but we'll get into that later.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:50 am 
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Hey Kollision,

Thanks for your reply.

I felt that I needed to start small and work my way up. Since my work schedule is so screwy, and often unpredictable, I made a commitment (2 months ago) to work on weights at the gym 3 times/wk with at least one rest day between. I know I can do that! And I am committed! The cardio fills in the gap as my schedule and fitness allow.

Since I am committed to being in the gym 3 times/wk, I get a light cardio on those days (65% of maximum heart rate) using an eliptical trainer --- 5 minutes warmup, 20 minutes cardio, 5 min warmdown --- then weight training --- then stretching. I have had back trouble in the past and I am afraid of injury during lifting, so I think of this as more of a total-body warmup rather than true cardio.

For my full cardio, I started 4 months ago with just walking. This was enough to get my heart into the target range (I was that out of shape
:oops: ). When that became too easy, I started walking uphill... then hiking... then hiking uphill and jogging downhill. Now I am up to slow jogging on a mostly-level dirt road. On a good week, if my work schedule permits, I jog 2 times for an hour each time, at about 13 min/mile. This keeps my heart rate at 70-75%. Sometimes I only get out once in a week. These workouts are on my non-weight training days.


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 Post subject: A really good reference site
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Hey,

A site you might be interested in looking at is this one:

http://www.cbass.com

This is Clarence Bass' site. This site has tons of great articles on how to balance weights and cardio to maximize the benifits of your time spent working out. I also bought a couple of his books, and I really like those too.

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Dang! Did you see the abs on that guy? At 60yo? Cool! :P


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This one is by far my favorite, when he was a little younger...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:50 am 
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sirdle wrote:
Hey Kollision,

Thanks for your reply.

I felt that I needed to start small and work my way up. Since my work schedule is so screwy, and often unpredictable, I made a commitment (2 months ago) to work on weights at the gym 3 times/wk with at least one rest day between. I know I can do that! And I am committed! The cardio fills in the gap as my schedule and fitness allow.

Since I am committed to being in the gym 3 times/wk, I get a light cardio on those days (65% of maximum heart rate) using an eliptical trainer --- 5 minutes warmup, 20 minutes cardio, 5 min warmdown --- then weight training --- then stretching. I have had back trouble in the past and I am afraid of injury during lifting, so I think of this as more of a total-body warmup rather than true cardio.

For my full cardio, I started 4 months ago with just walking. This was enough to get my heart into the target range (I was that out of shape
:oops: ). When that became too easy, I started walking uphill... then hiking... then hiking uphill and jogging downhill. Now I am up to slow jogging on a mostly-level dirt road. On a good week, if my work schedule permits, I jog 2 times for an hour each time, at about 13 min/mile. This keeps my heart rate at 70-75%. Sometimes I only get out once in a week. These workouts are on my non-weight training days.


This is exactly something people need to realize. A lot of people do cardio instead of an actual warm up. Cardio if done should be kept at the end of the workout followed by a cool down so that your body gets back into the way it was when you came to the gym.

The same goes for stretching. Never stretch without warming up. The body needs to have a higher temperature than normal for successful stretches, if not, you can cause damage to your body.

One thing with your program that I would find a bit off is that there is way too much cardio. Although cardio is good, there is a limit. Perhaps if you sacrificed some cardio time with weights, you would get even faster results. The reason is that muscle burns fat. A pound of muscle burns around 35 calories while a pound of fat burns around 2. So what would be advisable would be to gain more muscle mass.

This is all just a friendly advice that I am lending you, and I am in no way telling you to follow it. Hope that this helped.


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