Mike Bundrant wrote:
Hemet is a couple hours east of LA...and south a bit off the 10 freeway.
Thanks for the welcome, Kollision....did you typo the numbers in your post...? So you changed to Vegan overnight? Care to elaborate...? I am slowly but surely changing. Animal products are at an all-time low for me...not just because they hamper my digestion...but I am also developing more compassion for animals as I read this board and information on animal treatment from other sources. I am beginning to feel a deep sadness at how they are treated and am considering them as intelligent creatures with capacity for joy.
Have you ever ignored, criticised or mistreated in some way another person...and then somehow they became "real" to you....and you realized the impact of your behavior on this other person that has wants, needs and feelings just like you? I feel pained when this happens...especially with my children...suddenly I will realize, for example, that my son David is a 12 year old kid that just wants to play catch with me, just like I always wanted so badly to play catch with my dad..and I will feel pained for treating him like he is a burden of some sort.
Anyway - animals are becoming real to me too. I am realizing that I have contributed to the mistreatment of intelligent, vulnerable creatures. It's not that I have done this with full consciousness...that is the point...I've been ignoring this fact for a long time....
I wasn't planning on waxing philosophical...but there yo have it.
Thanks to all.
No, the numbers are not wrong, they are correct
As for the Vegan overnight thing, sure, I'd love to share. Well it all happened when I was eating I believe beef and then I decided I wasn't going to eat beef. Then the next day I believe I had Pork and then I just sat there crying because it all came to me about killing and such (and also before my teacher told me about Factory Farm animals which I didn't believe, but still when he told me that I should have stopped right then). So then I decided that I was going to give up all meat products and products from meat from then on. God also played a big part because it would have been hypocritical of me to say that God is "Most Loving", "Most Compassionate", etc. and only apply it to myself and not other animals. Sure we have a family dog and we treat him exactly like that, family. I knew that cows and all other animals were the exact same, created and loved by God, but I didnt really correlate that with the food.
Now when I eat food, animals and plants pop into my head. Its not that I have no respect for plants, I have even more respect for them than I had in the past. I see them just the same as cows, our family dog, my mom, etc. all created and loved by God. All of this "species" thing is all just a covering, the real essence inside is Life, which is from God. I also am more clear on the true Human Being, how he is selfish and only cares about himself (which I was, not that I was actually selfish to other people, but I was in terms of food since I put my tastes before the suffering). I also can see now that we are the only race that is like this, and that we have the knowledge and we always use that to bring ourselves higher than animals, yet instead of progressing, we degenerate backwards. Not to change this into a religious discussion, but in the Bible for example, once they got the knowledge look what happened to them. Instead of progressing, they went backwards. We shouldn't be using this knowledge idea to make us supreme and justify our acts. It should be the exact opposite. We should be condeming ourselves for using our knowledge for the wrong.
As for your journey towards lessening animal suffering, we are all here for you. If you ever need help, feel free to email us, PM us, or post on this board. All of the folks here are really open and are not judgemental to people (of course they will get mad if someone does try to justify claims on animal suffering, as I would do as well) and are very helpful in those that are trying to lead their life into Veganism. Generally speaking, when you go out to eat food, just think for a second of the animals and how they endure their entire life in torture, rape, seperationg and denying of their parents, no medical care, beating, etc. and I am pretty sure that you will lose your appetite for that meal. That generally helps a lot of people, because when they do eat, it doesn't cross their mind until later.
As for ignored or criticised another person, yes I have. Its a bad feeling once the realization hits you. However it is better than not realizing it, because now you can reshape yourself and work towards bettering yourself as well as strengthening that bond between you and the other person or animal (be it pet or otherwise). Sometimes we forget that we were once in that position (in terms of being a child and being playful) and we are stuck in what we are doing. We shouldnt just go out and play, but we should set time aside for others and get our mind off of things. There is still that kid in you and it always will be.
As for that last paragraph, that is the exact same thing that I was talking about. Generally we ignore a lot of things and the impact of our choices doesn't hit us until later, which is what is happening to you now. I am no more innocent as the meat eater, as I have falsely condemnded a lot of animals to life long (literally speaking) torment. This saddens me that I didn't start sooner and that I wasn't raised in such a household that I am now, but at least I started and have ended that cycle that I once was in. All I can do now is continue and beg for forgiveness from God that I have done this to His/Her innocent creatures.
Don't worry about being philosophical, just speak what your heart wants to say.
Thanks a lot and take care.