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 Post subject: Re: Big Meech Shreds (My Mom Says I'm Unfeminine: #GetAtMe)
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:58 am 
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LOL sludge you make a good point but i was also getting hella pimples too during my junk food spree...and im also really not sure if the beer/potato chip calories actually added anything as far as strength was concerned, i think extra oatmeal calories would have done me better...no?

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 Post subject: Re: Big Meech Shreds (My Mom Says I'm Unfeminine: #GetAtMe)
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jungleinthefrunk wrote:
I am tired and hungry. I felt really weak during todays workout and i also feel like they arent as effective when i do them sans trainer. oh well.

This is how you will feel for the next couple of months. It is cutting. I do not like to tell myself that I am weak though. I say that I am getting rid of the bodyfat, and this is how it feels to utilize the bodyfat. Your body is hungry, and if it wants to eat, then eat the fat!

In fact, you will get to a day where you don't feel the pit of your stomach growling, and you will freak out that you are not losing bodyfat, and have reached a plateau (which is from my own experience).

I also wonder if you are not detoxing also. That is going to make you feel sluggish as all that beer and potato chips toxins start coming out of the fat.

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 Post subject: Re: Big Meech Shreds (My Mom Says I'm Unfeminine: #GetAtMe)
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Jungle you should look into the book 30 bananas a day by Freelee, she also has a youtube channel, you should check it out cause i see a few issues with your nutrition and I think she can help clear up alot of it for you. Other then that, if I was in jersey I would deffinitly train with you :)

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 Post subject: Re: Big Meech Shreds (My Mom Says I'm Unfeminine: #GetAtMe)
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Wow interesting, detox, huh..As a social worker my conception of detox is something completely different, but i guess this also makes sense! I cannot really cite any literature here because i need to get back to work soon but i remember reading in dozens of different places that if you put any kind of chemical/junk into your body, your body sends fluids or whatever else to surround it causing your body to hold onto extra fat, fluids etc....so that was kind of nagging at the back of my mind during bulking. oh and to clarify its not like i was having beer and chips every day i am really just talking about christmas and new years....the day to day issue was the bagels/tofutti and chipotle and gardein.

HXCnismo, just quickly googled the book....high carb raw vegan....maybe at some point in the future, but for now i am gonna go with what my current trainer is telling me to do....but it sounds like you dont agree with him...

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 Post subject: Re: Big Meech Shreds (My Mom Says I'm Unfeminine: #GetAtMe)
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jungleinthefrunk wrote:
LOL sludge you make a good point but i was also getting hella pimples too during my junk food spree...and im also really not sure if the beer/potato chip calories actually added anything as far as strength was concerned, i think extra oatmeal calories would have done me better...no?


If your micronutrients weren't getting filled out, probably since oatmeal's got some fiber and it's a slow-released carbohydrate. However, in moderation and with your micros being met, neither beer nor potato chips would have negatively affected your gains while on a bulk. I know what you mean about the pimples/sometimes "icky" feeling one gets from eating junk. I'm actually cutting out Clif bars because of this and they're not even that "junky" - they just taste way too sweet for me these days and remind me way too much of a candy bar.

I'd be interested in checking out those studies you were talking about - I haven't ever really come across anything like that, though, it's true that "junkier" food tends to have one hold a lot of water weight but, as far as I know, the only thing that really makes you put on fat is a caloric surplus?

On a semi-different note: I, personally, have about 4-6 beers or 8-10 drinks a week, though, usually spread out over two different non-training days and follow Martin Berkhan's alcohol "rules" to make sure I get my micronutrients in, stay in my calories, and don't do too much "damage." It's not for everyone and I'm not competing but after the comp, you should look into what he has to say about it because it's really solid advice.

In fact, after you're done with the comp, I'd look into, if not following IF and IIFYM, using them loosely to fit things like Chipotle into your diet, if not every day maybe like once a week or however often your macros allow it.

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 Post subject: Re: Big Meech Shreds (My Mom Says I'm Unfeminine: #GetAtMe)
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omg clif bars. yummmmmm.

but yeah i am already thinking about my next bulk and how clean it will be and how much ill appreciate it :) a whole potato at one time, who woulda thunk it?!

i dont even know if they were studies, articles, or just in documentaries or whatever...i feel like i also remember robert and derek saying something to that effect, not to quote them or anything...i think maybe dereks radio interview or something?

4 giant ab supersets. for rope crunches 50lbs on the single pulley cable which is harder but it was still too light, switched to a different cable, did 130, 140, 150.
25 minutes hills.

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 Post subject: Re: Big Meech Shreds (My Mom Says I'm Unfeminine: #GetAtMe)
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i haven't really seen anything reliable about the body sending more fluid in to surround junky food. what makes more sense to me is that junkier food tends to have more salt and dehydrated ingredients in it, and requires more liquid to properly process. cliff bars are like sponges: they literally soak up water. straight sugar shouldn't require water like that in a digestive process unless there's some kind of diabetic condition and the blood needs to be diluted.

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It is cutting. I do not like to tell myself that I am weak though. I say that I am getting rid of the bodyfat, and this is how it feels to utilize the bodyfat.
WOW this is gold. it's going to be my new mantra!

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 Post subject: Re: Big Meech Shreds (My Mom Says I'm Unfeminine: #GetAtMe)
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dam does that mean no clif bar for my cheat meal dessert?!

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270 calories.....is it really worth the 20 grams of protein...despite being heaven on the lips?


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Yes! If it's the chocolate brownie flavor!

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HAHA i will ask my coach and he will decide for me. he had pizza and ice cream for his last week! i am def. having a chipotle burrito tho thats not up for debate. and he did tell me i can have "whatever you want". lol.

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omg pizza. i wanted pizza so bad sunday night when my friend had one of those gross frozen tofurkey/daiya things!

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r u precontest right now too?

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Not your kind of contest. I like to ride bikes. :D

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jungleinthefrunk wrote:
HAHA i will ask my coach and he will decide for me. he had pizza and ice cream for his last week! i am def. having a chipotle burrito tho thats not up for debate. and he did tell me i can have "whatever you want". lol.


I think a Chipotle burrito and one Builder's bar would be a nearly perfect "cheat" - high carbs, moderate protein, low-fat (depending on if you get guac or not). In fact ... it's exactly what I had for dinner tonight.

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