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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:07 pm 
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haha the sleeping thing is true.


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Hey Jonathon I think your abs are great.
What part of England are you in?
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lol@CG

Meanwhile in Ab land. Bodyfat. Right? That's what we're talking about here... no?

Less calories in and more out. Optimally you're in a moderate exertion level to burn the fat you got.


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Daywalker wrote:
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:shock: Amazing.


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Daywalker wrote:
compassionategirl wrote:
Hmmmm... I cannot wait to hear what the "Ab Gods" Hero and Tarz have to say.

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I'll be waiting for their answers, too... my abs don't seem to be good enough to be mentioned together with the ab gods... :(

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:shock: :shock: :shock:
Goodness gracious Alex, those pics should come with a warning. This girl for one, is speechless. And jealous of K-Oz :D

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Hey Jonathon I think your abs are great.
What part of England are you in?
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im in scotland actually - edinburgh :D

i am trying hard to get rid of my abs - ie gain lots of weight - but i think that i am doomed to have a bloody 6 pack for ever :(

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What a thread! :D

Nobbi, Bigbwii... :lol: I wasn't fishing for compliments (well, not directly...), i was just kidding Natalie a bit :roll:

Thanks Nat for your explanation ;) Now i don't feel so left out and worthless ;)
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Of course Tarz and Topher have great abs - and Johnathan too! I knew your pics already, big guy, you look great!

Michelle, Meggy... :oops: Thank you!! :D (could you please repeat that to K-oz, sometimes i think she doesn't appreciate what she's got here... ;) :D )

Back to topic... Aaron is ~70% right ;) Abs are about BF% mainly. But when you want great abs, abs that show not only when you're BF is <10%, then you need to work them. I used to work my abs everyday for1-1,5 hours alone, for years! Now i do almost nothing, because i think they're ok and i have other primary targets now.
For a "flat" middle section, you don't need a lot of ab exercises, just reduce BF. Still work obliques and abs with one exercise each every workout.
Don't overeat - if you stuff yourself every meal your digestive organs will expand and will be full all the time, causing a bigger belly. Bloating things also do this.
I wouldn't recommend the vacuum exercise. Rather, when eating or walking, slightly retract your belly and contract your abs slightly. It helps with muscle tonus and with keeping a straight posture, both important for a flat middle.

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jonathan wrote:
i feel that justice has been done :D

well, i dont envy your position nat - both tarz and topher are lovely guys - there isnt much to choose between them.

basically i will say this - if you like rooibosh tea, go after tarz.

if you like sleeping, sleeping and then some more sleeping, go for topher.

hehe!

jonathan


You forgot the sunbathing Jonathan..... :wink:

Bigbwii - I'll post my advice later mate. :wink:


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Do we have any vegan ab goddesses???


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Tarz wrote:
Do we have any vegan ab goddesses???


that would be me. and no, i dont have a digital camera, but I am getting one for Christmas (hopefully). (and the category is by no means exclusive so it is opne to the other ladies of course).


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Lookin forward to seeing the pictures Natalie. :wink:


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Hey Daywalker! I know you were just teasing :wink: everybody thanks for your input! I've been bulking up (for first time in my life) in order to increase muscle growth and overall size! but I'm really not happy with the results by that I mean that yes I'm bigger but I don't like the quality I have :roll: and I've been eating quality whole foods! so now I'm gonna cut down and increase workouts because I was training one a week before! I've learnt a lot from all this! and I know I have the strength!!! so it's just a matter of tweaking!!! thanks everyone for your input!!! so daywalker,hero,robert and all you other body beautifuls watch out!!!! :P coz da new improved BIGBWII'Z coming :P :twisted: :wink:

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jonathan wrote:
- but i think that i am doomed to have a bloody 6 pack for ever :(

jonathan



awwww.... :cry: poor jonathan... :cry: "doomed to have a 6 pack forever"....now that's just awful :cry: ....

i wont be breakin' out the violins for you any time soon Jonathan :wink:


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compassionategirl wrote:
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- but i think that i am doomed to have a bloody 6 pack for ever :(

jonathan



awwww.... :cry: poor jonathan... :cry: "doomed to have a 6 pack forever"....now that's just awful :cry: ....

i wont be breakin' out the violins for you any time soon Jonathan :wink:


i mean there are people in the world who claim they are having a hard time, what with natural disasters, war and disease, and do they spare a thought for poor old me, unable to put weight on, despite eating everything and stuck with gorgeous abs.

it just takes the biscuit really :roll:

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Bigbwii - sorry for the delay in replying.

A small stomach is obtained through a combination of diet, exercise and abdominal exercise.

Obviously a sensible diet is necessary but myself and the other appointed ab gods still eat lot's - in the case of Topher and Jonathan I don't think they ever stop eating. I'm sure Alex eat's a hell of a lot too to maintain all that muscle mass.

Listen to your body - eat when hungry. Some days I really pig out. I haven't really ate too much the last couple of days at work - too many distractions made me forget about eating.

Eat more smaller meals rather than fewer larger meals. This keeps your metabolism ticking over and you don't use up most of your energy digesting your food. I am strong believer in grazing, in 'eat light, eat often' and all that.

You've got to get your bodyfat down to get a small stomach, especially if you want the abs to show. Obviously low bodyfat is achieved through diet and also as a result of cardio burning up fat.

Obviously you don't want to do too much cardio as you have stated you want to maintain your mass. However it is still possible to do some cardio and maintain most of your mass - obviously you would still be lifting nearly as often as you usually do, so you won't lose too much mass. You will lose a lil ( as Nat would say ) mass, but will gain all round defination so would look better all round, not just on your stomach.

By cardio I mean proper cardio. Too many people do it tokenly and kid themselves they have had a cardio workout. You want to be sweating, breathing hard, your heartbeat to be fast and hurtin basically. Obviously this is not wise if you are not used to cardio - not sure if you do any cardio at present? - so start off easy and get your cardio fitness levels up. Ultimately tho, your intention should be to do hard cardio.

If you want the sixpack, obviously you have to train the ab's as you would any other muscle group, and specifically concentrate on them. Don't do zillions of reps as that is a complete waste of time - you don't for your other muscles, so same principle for your abs. It is very important to vary the stomach exercises you do to target the overall abs, upper abs, lower abs, obliques etc etc. There are numerous ab exercsises you can get from magazies, books and the web. Do train your abs slowly and concentrate on contracting and squeezing the abs which helps to give a better 'burn'.

That said, I believe Jonathan has achieved his stomach through very little cardio or specific ab training.

Of course genetics plays a part, with some of us more lucky than others. What it comes down to is dedication, especially to be able to constantly maintain a flat stomach.

Hope that helped. :D


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