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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:22 pm 
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Paige wrote:
I have pushed myself to 1800-2000 cals ...... why does this put weight on me?


The short answer is: The body stores fat from giving your body reasons to think it needs it for emergencies: famine(nutritent & cal restriction), bad eating, toxins, upsetting metabolism).

For a long answer, I have a video:



Eating more is the only way out of this cycle. Your weight will eventually normalize(in 811 terms... you'll get skinny as FrUCtose.

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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
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I've been eating 80/10/10 raw vegan for 3 years and have put on more muscle than I ever had before. My powerlifting strength is through the roof for my weight. It not only works well, it works extremely well and I can attest to that plus thousands of others. Don't put something down that you have never tried guys. And when you do try it, do it right and you will see what the world has been talking about.

Also Dr. Doug Graham has been training celebrities and olympic level athletes for many, many years. It definitely has it's place in the professional athletic world.

Paige, Rawsomehealth said it very well. You are not eating enough calories from fruit which explains the low blood sugar dizziness. Oil is crap. Also don't forget to eat a head of lettuce worth of greens every night, kills salt cravings. Keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to seeing your post single digit body fat results! :)

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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:09 am 
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Thanks for that post. Three years, wow. What was your diet like before and what nutritional principles did you follow then that you changed when you switched?

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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:54 am 
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The nutritional principles I was following was a bunch of vitamin supplements, protein powder, lots of rice etc. I was eating meat, grains and dairy. Typical "healthy" american diet. Ate little fruit and tiny salads. Then ate cooked vegan and felt better, but still lacked in the energy department. Replaced all the starchy foods with fruit and it was like upgrading to jet fuel!

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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
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I'm on page one of this old thread. 8) I'm still eating 80-10-10 (almost 5 years). The only change in my thinking is realizing that most people can't just jump into this diet. I had already been vegan and high-fruit for 15 years. So the transition was easy.

I still have the hobby of clearing up misunderstandings about nutrition as it concerns 811...

Correction: 811 is around 500g of carbs a day

Technically, the body DOES make protein.... from amino acids(which is underestimated in fruit)

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many vegans IMO look very aged, sagging skin,

Look at me. I'm 45. In this video, I show pics from when I went vegan. I said "I haven't aged!!!" (seriously, check it out)




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I....bet this is from inadequate protein intake.

You bet your life!!!!!

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You only need .5g per lb of bodyweight. Any more, ages you.


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.....can cause "insulin resistance". This is a fact, and is commonly referred to as "type 2 diabetes"


Not fact; the jury's out. But animals - and people - on a naturally low-fat (Frugivore) diet don't have those issues. High-fat-humans do.

The latest science is: Too much fat blocks insulin receptors from taking glucose from the blood - leading to prolonged high levels of blood glucose, which prolongs insulin production.
Because glucose can't leave the bloodstream, the pancreas continues to create redundant insulin, leading to exhaustion of pancreas, and diabetes.

Nature makes no foods both high in fat and carbs. We're meant for the carbs; not high-fat.

PS - the links in the next post are from Harvard MEDICAL SCHool. The MED ind. is anti-health, pro-$$$$.

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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:40 pm 
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New World Vegan wrote:
We're meant for the carbs; not high-fat.

I'm not so sure about that although I agree with most of everything else you wrote above. Depends entirely on the type/source of carbs (GI load primarily) and the type of fats. For example, Okinawan people are one of the healthiest in the world (lowest rates of preventable disease and many of them living 100 years and beyond) and they have a very high intake of EFA's.

This is a great little quote from what I consider to be a well written and articulated article despite the fact that the author tries to highlight the benefit of meat, fish and dairy at the end (although he does recognise that they need to be consumed minimally). Even if you don't agree with it, you have to admit there's at least some food-for-thought in there :o


"Today, at the beginning of the 21st century some 10,000 years later, we know exactly why we were never meant to consume carbohydrates on a regular basis, let alone in large quantities as we do today, such that they provide a significant part of our daily calories—sometimes even the majority! We know exactly why because we have pretty clearly understood the primary effect of phytic acids or phytates, the importance of dietary fats, and the insulin mechanism." GUILLAUME BELANGER


Link to full article: http://healthfully.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/we-were-never-meant-to-eat-simple-or-starchy-carbohydrates/

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PS - the links in the next post are from Harvard MEDICAL SCHool. The MED ind. is anti-health, pro-$$$$.

Even if that were the case that doesn't make them a source of information that should simply be dismissed. I don't believe you can label and generalise the whole medical industry like that, that's simply not right.

Anyhow I hope this thread can continue to be an interesting and insightful discussion, so thanks to all of of you that are contributing MF.

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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
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"Experts still have a long way to go to connect the dots between fructose and nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. Higher intakes of fructose are associated with these conditions, but clinical trials have yet to show that it causes them."

I started an 80/10/10 journey about a week or so ago. First thing I noticed? Belly flattened. The little flab I had directly on my belly is practically gone. The article makes a lot of generalizations, and then denounces foods made with added sugar. Sure, I'll buy that.

You know what would be interesting? If Fruit Based Athlete, Fruit Based Vegan, or even myself, went to the doctor, and had our liver fat levels tested. I'd be game for this. Maybe I should do so after a few more months on the diet.

MF, I'm pretty ignorant on how the medical field operates in NZ, but here in the States, it is pretty clear that their findings are greatly skewed by third-party groups with a ton of money; especially when it comes to diet. Consider that one of the holder's of a high position within the FDA is a former lobbyist for Monsanto - aka the leader in GMO based foods in America. That right there is enough for me.

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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
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"Were made for carbs; not fat"

Our brain, CNS, and Skeletal musculature system derive most of their energy from glucose, however the fact is, the body can find other pathways to produce more than enough glucose for these systems to thrive on zero carb intake, Hence why there is NO essential carbs.


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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:20 pm 
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MF, I'm pretty ignorant on how the medical field operates in NZ, but here in the States, it is pretty clear that their findings are greatly skewed by third-party groups with a ton of money; especially when it comes to diet. Consider that one of the holder's of a high position within the FDA is a former lobbyist for Monsanto - aka the leader in GMO based foods in America. That right there is enough for me.

Same over here mate, which is why we still have TV adverts every day claiming that kids need dairy for calcium (funded by Fonterra) and other BS like that. I had a lady in the shop yesterday and I was trying to explain that you only absorb around 35% of the calcium from dairy versus all of the calcium that is bioavailable in plants, greens etc ~ she looked at me like I'd just got off the planet Mars :(

Money just controls what the 'big guys' want us to perceive as being good nutrition which is why I don't buy into anything unless I have done my own research.

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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
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Mini Forklift Ⓥ wrote:
Same over here mate, which is why we still have TV adverts every day claiming that kids need dairy for calcium (funded by Fonterra) and other BS like that. I had a lady in the shop yesterday and I was trying to explain that you only absorb around 35% of the calcium from dairy versus all of the calcium that is bioavailable in plants, greens etc ~ she looked at me like I'd just got off the planet Mars :(

Money just controls what the 'big guys' want us to perceive as being good nutrition which is why I don't buy into anything unless I have done my own research.


And that, my friend, is why we are mates. I usually just tell them that dairy is juice intended for the sustenance of another species, and full of pus. :popcorn:

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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
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You know what would be interesting? If Fruit Based Athlete, Fruit Based Vegan, or even myself, went to the doctor, and had our liver fat levels tested. I'd be game for this. Maybe I should do so after a few more months on the diet.

That would be interesting. Don't just stop at your liver values, get all of the main biomarkers measured. I'd be wanting to monitor these ones:


CRP
Lipids (HDL, LDL + total) and blood glucose levels ~ will need to be taken in a fasted state
ALT/AST
T3/T4 levels
Creatinine
Haematocrit
Ferritin
B12
Vitamin D ~ not sure what it's like in the States but here in NZ doctors are unwilling to check Vit D levels unless necessary so this one might be a no-go


The results of all of those will give you a pretty comprehensive base of what's going on MF.

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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:35 pm 
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I'm on the 80/10/10-Raw Till 4 diet since a month. And I eat everyday between 3500 and 4500cals. I have a lot of energy i lost 4 percent of my body fat, my skin is clearer and my teeth got much whiter. I started to do street workout. If you want to follow my transformation watch my video and subscribe my channel
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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:55 pm 
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I've just started reading "The 80/10/10 Diet" by Douglas Graham and I am surprised anyone could read this book and be convinced. I guess I'll come back to this thread when I've finished reading it and perhaps have something more insightful to say about the book.


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 Post subject: Re: 80/10/10 diet
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:07 pm 
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The ratio of carbohydrates / fat / and protein varies from individual to individual and activity to activity. Never be so stupid and naive to think any one combination fits everyone. People who insist on that are bigots.


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