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Lifting Philosophy

#1 Postby xllx » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:08 am

I've been inspired lately by Derek Poundstone. He's one of the world's strongest men for sure, and he goes till failure on every, single, exercise that he does.

Here's him doing tire flips - he doesn't stop till he can't do it anymore. He keeps going and going

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38BlgYNXDK8

Next time I think about stopping at 5 reps or 8 reps, im going to push until i can't do another. If i went over 8, i should have picked a higher weight. What do you guys think of this kind of training?

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Re: Lifting Philosophy

#2 Postby Baby Hercules » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:23 am

I have one philosophy and it applies to everything: if it feels good thinking about doing it, while I'm doing it, and after I've done it, it's right for me.

As a result, I've had an amazing life that just keeps getting better and better. :wohoo:

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Re: Lifting Philosophy

#3 Postby Fallen_Horse » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:06 pm

xllx wrote:Next time I think about stopping at 5 reps or 8 reps, im going to push until i can't do another. If i went over 8, i should have picked a higher weight. What do you guys think of this kind of training?


Some people are against training to failure, but I think it's a great way to keep yourself motivated and progress on goals. One caveat, if you are going to failure then make sure you are putting in 110% towards rest and recovery, since it's much easier to over-train when going to failure...
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Re: Lifting Philosophy

#4 Postby Nicholas_Weir » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:30 pm

I know that training to failure is a good form of training to break through plateus.

Every now and then i will push for 20 reps with 120lb bench to add variation among my usual 8-12 rep range.

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Re: Lifting Philosophy

#5 Postby VeganEssentials » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:59 pm

Poundstone is awesome and an incredible athlete, but at the same time, he's certainly not natural and has a LOT of experience under his belt, giving him a bit more reason/ability to push his boundaries beyond what most natural lifters can do. Going to failure from time to time is a good thing, but it's not essential to making progress, and too much of such a thing can hinder recovery and ultimately lead to less overall progress. For example, if you set the "to failure" bar too high from the start, you may find that you won't be able to complete training programs that you wish to follow, as going to failure on everything isn't always feasible. For example, if I wanted to do 5x5 in the squat and I went to failure on that first set of 5 reps, the smart money is that on each set, I'm going to do less and less and by the end, I'll be lucky to squeeze out 2 reps. The body of a natural lifter just doesn't usually have the capacity to keep pushing to where you can't go any further each and every set, so usually, I'd suggest saving the set to failure for whatever your last set is that you're wrapping up with. So, using the squat example again, if I got through the first 4x5 easily enough, I might see how many more beyond the 5 I could knock out on the final set only - even if I could get one extra rep, it would show that I'd gone beyond what I set out to do, and that would let me set the bar higher next time for the same lift, either adding weight or adding reps.

What should definitely be admired about Derek, though, is the intensity he brings - nobody is going to be a champion like him if they say "I did 10 reps, could have hit a bunch more, but that's enough for now", because when you compete in strongman, that just won't cut it, and you'll find that you'll be at the bottom of the game compared to others who push as hard as they can. Remember, when Poundstone is competing, it's all about how many reps you can in a set time, how fast you can flip a tire for distance, how quickly you can pull a truck for distance, etc., definitely not what bodybuilders or powerlifters ever need to be prepared for, so it's a whole different game!
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Re: Lifting Philosophy

#6 Postby Fallen_Horse » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:22 pm

VeganEssentials wrote:....For example, if I wanted to do 5x5 in the squat and I went to failure on that first set of 5 reps, the smart money is that on each set, I'm going to do less and less and by the end, I'll be lucky to squeeze out 2 reps....


A good way of fixing that (for me) has been to do a 7x6x5x4x3 routine instead of a standard 5x5. That way you can push on a set but if you go a bit far, then on the next set you only have to worry about one less rep anyway. It seems to help...
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Re: Lifting Philosophy

#7 Postby VeganEssentials » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:27 pm

That works as well, FH! :) When training to failure on EVERY set, there has to be a plan to accommodate, since you can't well keep up a crazy pace of going all-out with the same abilities each time!
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