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New workout, could you critique please?

#1 Postby mythil » Tue May 01, 2012 8:51 am

Well I was hunting around different websites, books and builtlift.com which was suggested to me and I've come out with something I hope will work. I'm not training to get HUGE but I hope some muscle will come, I'm more training to be fit with muscle.

Here's my current program for the next few months/weeks. It's done M/T/T/F rotating the days.

M/Tur
3 Mile Jog
2 sets of 10 for the following
Dips
Pullups (These are done in a superset to save time on a sought after bit of kit)
Squats (Front until I get a pad, neck issues)
Hammer Curls
1 set of 20 for the following
Knee lifts (hanging)
Crunches

Tue/Fri
3 Mile Jog
2 sets of 10 for the following
Bent Row
Barbell Press (chest)
Deadlift
Barbell Curls (replaced with 21's at the end of the week)
1 set of 20 for the following
Knee lifts (hanging)
Crunches

You may add why I am adding extra arm stuff in there.. Well my arm strength has been my biggest downfall, so I added a little extra in there to help.
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Re: New workout, could you critique please?

#2 Postby darcy » Wed May 02, 2012 6:08 pm

You hitting a lot of the same muscle groups on consecutive days... might want to build in some more rest by grouping the exercises.

For example, maybe do dips and barbell press on the same day.
Also, pull-ups and bent over rows are going to recruit your bicep muscles as well, so you might want to do them on the same day as hammer and barbell curls.
If you're aiming to be fit (I'm reading that as meaning well conditioned) versus huge, maybe bump it up to 3 sets, and work in the 10-12 rep range.

I find that squats and deadlifts take a lot out of me, so I like to give them their own day...

You may want to include something that puts the focus on your shoulders. A compound movement like push-press is always good.

Of course, this is all just based on my personal experience... give your routine a chance and see how your body reacts to it, then make adjustments as needed.

Good luck!
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Re: New workout, could you critique please?

#3 Postby veggiesasquatch » Wed May 02, 2012 6:52 pm

If you're training 4 days give each day a main lift...eg

Mon:squat
Tues:ohp
Thurs:deadlift
Fri:bench press

Though usually you would be working rather heavily on these you can still opt for a lighter weight & bang out reps. Then add in your assistance, also I agree that push/pulling keeps a balance, as opposite to just pushing (chest) & pulling (back).

Example, paring deads with front squats, dumbell rows with bench press, pull ups with ohp & squats with good mornings.
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Re: New workout, could you critique please?

#4 Postby veggiesasquatch » Wed May 02, 2012 7:06 pm

Squatting 2/3 times a weeks fine, just program it correctly....deadlifting x2 a week? Do not do that!
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Re: New workout, could you critique please?

#5 Postby mythil » Wed May 02, 2012 7:27 pm

Thanks, I was kinda going for training the muscle groups more than once a week. I'll reorganise things and see what happens.

However, if I'm not able to deadlift more than once a week what should I replace it with for the push/pull on squats?
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Re: New workout, could you critique please?

#6 Postby veggiesasquatch » Wed May 02, 2012 7:36 pm

Good mornings or stiff legged deadlifts (starting point just below the knees)
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Re: New workout, could you critique please?

#7 Postby mythil » Wed May 02, 2012 7:45 pm

Right sooo, it may look something like this?

(Consider 3 sets of 10-12)

Monday:
Squats - Good Mornings
Dips - Skullcrushers (sometime tricepish)

Tuesday: OHP - Pullups
(mix things up)
Mountain Climbers
Standing Bicycle Curls

Thursday: Deadlift - Squats
Lat Raises - Lat Pullsdowns

Friday:
Bench Press - Rows
Curls
Hammers

Just mixing things up. If I haven't grasped the principle please say :)
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Re: New workout, could you critique please?

#8 Postby veggiesasquatch » Wed May 02, 2012 8:18 pm

Don't like upper/lower in one session. If you were only training two days a week then fine, but as its 4 days keep it to that area.

Monday: option1: squats/good mornings/reverse hypers. Option2: squats/leg press/Hamstrig curls/hypers 

Tuesday: Option1: OHP/pull ups/dips. option2: OHP/dumbell press or rear & side raises/tricep work

Thursday : option1: Deadlift/front squats or lighter squats/hanging leg raises. Option2: Deadlift/ good mornings/hanging of raises

Friday: option1: barbell flat bench/dumbell incline/dumbell rows. Option2: barbell flat bench/push ups/barbell rows.

Focus on the main lift then, if that floats your boat super set the assistance, or just make your way through the workout. 5x5 on the compounds will suit, you hit the 5x5, next session increase the weight but only small increments.

As for the assistance, 3-5 sets of 8-12 reps. It really doesn't matter, just build some muscle. Keep the intensity up if you want. Ab work add in upper/lower ab work on the respective days, your core will take a beating anyway with all the compounds.

On bench press day I'd still say add in some pull/chin ups. Various grips are great. So one the main pull up day wit OHP go wide/hammer grips, on bench day do chin (bicep work also in there.

Hope this helps 
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Re: New workout, could you critique please?

#9 Postby mythil » Wed May 02, 2012 8:20 pm

Thanks. Fitness specific stuff I'm okay at but not weight lifting programs :D
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Re: New workout, could you critique please?

#10 Postby veggiesasquatch » Wed May 02, 2012 8:32 pm

Just think "what's gonna give me more bang for my buck"

When I see people using endless cables for say triceps, it drive me mad. Give me dips/close grip benching everyday of the week, i can get more work done in 1 set than their 5 sets of 15 pissy isolation. Don't replace any barbell work with dumbbells, if people advise this just assume they know nothing (unless an injury means dumbbells suit)
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Re: New workout, could you critique please?

#11 Postby mythil » Thu May 03, 2012 5:35 am

Also forgot. There is no direct arm work in there (I know you'll be working the arms anyway).

Just wondering for someone who hasn't got strong arms should I be adding in one bicep specific lift or let my arms catch up during the other lifts?
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Re: New workout, could you critique please?

#12 Postby veggiesasquatch » Thu May 03, 2012 8:10 am

There's plenty of shoulder/tricep work (I puts it in dips/tricep work), biceps meh....if
You want do curls. I'd rather do pull/chin ups & dumbbell/barbell rows.

Shoulders with the military pressing, pull/chins & dips. Also the option for raises. More than enough arm
Work if you train OHP/bench right shoulders/tricep & upper back (traps) take a beating.
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