(i already replied to your post, but before i could submit it, my computer had a breakdown
So, actually you're talking about hitting that exact balance where you're eating enough to still add muscle, but doing it at a slight calorific deficit.
Sort of. The deficit doesn't have to be slight, when you want to burn much fat (and have much to burn).
I've always thought of muscle as as a kind of luxury item for the body. You can have it, but only if everything else you need to pay for is accounted for first.
I always thought so, too. But it's not quite true. Muscles will grow when the stimulus is there and the protein requirements are met. (Of course, there are other things that require protein to be synthesized, such unimportant stuff like blood, enzymes and fast replacing tissues
So, if I've got this right you believe that given enough stimulus (i.e. training hard enough) you can make muscle gain a higher priority than fat storage.
Yes. Fat metabolism has not much to do with muscle metabolism. Fat is stored when you eat more calories than you need. Muscles grow when.. okay, i said that before
Your body starts thinking "I need seriously more muscle or this is going to kill me", so even while you are losing fat, you can still add muscle.
No, that's not what i mean. I used to believe that, too, it's the HIT philosophy: you have to destroy your muscle, to show it that it's too weak for the demands, to force it to grow. My experience showed me that this is only partially true, it's a wrong interpretation of the things going on when you're adapting to weight training.
Now i believe rather in HST principles (www.hypertrophy-specific.com
). When lifting heavy weights, the muscle gets micro-traumata, even when not exercised with HIT-like intensity. The reparation of those leads to muscle growth and increase in strength.
Building muscle is very costly, energetically speaking, so it helps burning fat when you at the same time eat with a caloric deficit.
If this is right I can see why it'd be harder the more you developed (that would be logical).
I think it's harder because there is a limit to muscle mass. You build muscles slower, more reluctantly, when you already got a fair mass. Therefore, when you want to add more muscle, come closer to your full potential, you can't afford to eat low calory, especially when you're already low in bodyfat.
That's interesting. Is there any methods you found for determing the best calorific intake, or are you a more instinctive eater. I've never come across this style of eating before, be great if you had some sort of method that others could use to try & duplicate your style of eating?
Since turning vegan, i've become a totally instinctive eater. I don't calculate or even estimate my calories. I eat as often and as much (in total, not per meal) as i can, because i want to gain, and i am a skinny guy, genetically. I try to eat high protein foods (soy, nuts, grains, seeds and so on), but eat virtually everything when bulking (what i'm nearly always doning
To bodybuilders who are easy-gainers (in terms of fat) i'd recommend to eat low fat, moderate carb and (relatively) high protein (1-1.5g/kg/day). When you want to cut, eat slightly less calories than you need, take your time, be patient. When you want to bulk, don't exaggerate the calories, just meet your requirements, and stay away from sugar and junk food. You can't force your muscles to grow by overeating (calories are not a growth-stimulus
). Again, be patient.
One final thing, have you ever tried the more traditional bulking/cutting style of diet, if so, what have been the results, better, worse, the same???
I've always been trying to bulk, but i don't get fat. Okay, there were a couple of times when i was a little fatter than now, before i turned vegan, and before i started lifting. The only times when i cut down is pre-contest.
Sorry, to be quizzing you so much, but this is the first new type of diet I come across in a long time (oh lord that sounded so nutrition-geek
No need to apologize, mate
That's what the forum is there for! I enjoy the discussion and infromatin exchange here! I've already found so many good advice and inspiration here.
Have a great day,