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 Post subject: Re: What are the bulkers eating???
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:47 pm 
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IronRonin wrote:
CantLove wrote:
last night:

    one box kashi golean (sucks fer the sugars)
    half a jar of peanut butter
    some granola
    bottle of unsweetened almond milk

Holy fuck!
!DEATH BY CEREAL! I had been up for 24 hours straight too boot-toob oot



Hey you know Golean has honey in it? I'm sure you do, silly question. But hey, is honey the only thing you compromise on? It was something I was on the fence about for a while.


Also it comes from the asses of bees right? I wouldn't eat anything coming from my ass or someone else's ass, the ass of a dog, cat, bee or any other animal :D

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:01 pm 
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I had an "accidental" bulking night by eating around 2500 cal. worth of nuts while watching movies before bed. I wasn't hungry all day (probably had only eaten something like 1500 cal. total), but once I tore into the snacks around 2 AM, it was all downhill from there :D I think that they're going to call a national shortage on curry cashews and candied pecans after this one.

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 Post subject: Re: What are the bulkers eating???
PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:02 pm 
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How can someone put away 5K of calories a day and still be lean?

My 2200Cal diet is crying.... :|


Anyway, calorie dense 'bulk' foods for me.

CEREAL
Grape Nuts
Oat Bran
Oats
Raisin Bran

BEANS
Kidney
Garbanzo
Black

OTHER
Long Grain Rice
Quinoa
Tofu
Whole Wheat Bread

FATS
Ground flaxseeds
Avocado (delicious!)
Almond Butter
Mixed Nuts

Also, for quick energy carbs, dried fruit can't be beat.

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 Post subject: Re: What are the bulkers eating???
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:21 am 
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Fallen_Horse wrote:
How can someone put away 5K of calories a day and still be lean?



I wish I didn't have to. I can eat 4k a day and still not really gain much.. 500-600g carbs too. :?

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 Post subject: Re: What are the bulkers eating???
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:08 pm 
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Fallen_Horse wrote:
How can someone put away 5K of calories a day and still be lean?

Interesting question - I'll pretend it wasn't rhetorical. The answer would have to be 1) thousands of kcal worth of exercise (=lots of regular fat & carb oxidation) + 2 very low fat, very high CHO diet. Probably only happens in extreme vegan athletes, lol. But for sure, one can build muscle and lose fat at the same time (see my other posts for references).

Overfeeding studies using similarly large kcal amounts (and little or no exercise) all show inceases in LBM and fat stores, with the most muscle and least fat being acheived via a very high carb, very low fat diet (see my other posts for more info than you may desire). The higher the percentage of kcal from fat, the greater the unwelcome shift in the LBM:F ratio. ;) A pair of related studies used a 4300 kcal hi-carb diet with 20% fat - since their activity level was very low the energy surplus was high: they gained about 1/2 lb of muscle per day (about 60 grams of actual protein out of 90 consumed - that's a 66% retention caused by elevated insulin levels via carbs). In addition they gained 70g fat per day, a near 1:1 recomposition ratio which is one of the best results in the literature (since most overfeeding studies are high in fat, the ratios are high, varying from 5:1 to up to 20:1, meaning each net gram of protein gained is accompanied by 5-20 grams of fat (yikes)! Thus the science shows us that the more we shift metabolism away from fat processing and towards carb processing, the more muscle and less fat is gained. For example another study showed that if you eat zero fat in a day, while meeting hunger (kcal maintenance) - you will still be burning over a gram of fat an hour. In other words it is possible to consume a surplus energy WITHOUT fat gain - but it is extremely rare because it doesn't take much fat intake to shift things in the wrong direction (of course exercise is another method for shifting in the right direction, as about half of energy used derives from fat. Personally, my program involves both very low fat and fasting (oxidizes about 4-6g fat per gram protein) - all in an effort to shift metabolism away from the highly efficient fat processing system!

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 Post subject: Re: What are the bulkers eating???
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:41 pm 
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Many of our forum members have lost or maintained body fat on a "high" fat diet. A great read for anyone interested in how we store and burn fat, I highly recommend How Fat Works. Fasting may result in fat loss but it will also result in muscle loss once you've used up your circulating amino acids stores. The vast majority of bodybuilders do not fast and many of us eat every 2.5 to 3 hours (with sufficient protein per meal) in order to avoid lean muscle catabolism. Regardless of what studies show, I think fat loss is more complicated and individualized than we realize.

For the record, I have to hide peanut butter in our storage unit because I've been known to polish off 1/2 a jar in an evening.

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 Post subject: Re: What are the bulkers eating???
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DV wrote:
For the record, I have to hide peanut butter in our storage unit because I've been known to polish off 1/2 a jar in an evening.


amen to that! i do the SAME THING! When my ex lived here, i used to eat my 1 tablespoon.... :roll: ...then make him hide it on me.

then it kind of turned into a game. which wasn't good. if i found it, i won, but i also ate a ton of it....so i guess i lost too...
as zack would say-good ole peanut butter.

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 Post subject: Re: What are the bulkers eating???
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Glad I'm not the only one!

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There was a post on best vegan proteins with best amino score, pumpkin seeds is still winning the 1st place -- 136 if I remember well?

So here's a recipe from a commercial product I forgot the name...

Pumpkin seeds and ginger raw energy bars
pumpkin seeds, agave nectar, almonds, dried cranberry, dried pineapple, ginger

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 Post subject: Re: What are the bulkers eating???
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DV wrote:
Glad I'm not the only one!


You're definentally not the only one lol. I can finish off a whole container of Peanut Butter.


I've noticed recently that PB goes great with Silk Soymilk.

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Glad I'm not the only one!


You're definentally not the only one lol. I can finish off a whole container of Peanut Butter.


I've noticed recently that PB goes great with Silk Soymilk.

Oh yes!!! I had that for breakfast once! It was heaven at 5AM :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: What are the bulkers eating???
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Wow...


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 Post subject: Re: What are the bulkers eating???
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I just made some homemade cinnamon pecan butter; it is ridiculously tasty. I am not trying to bulk, but if I were, that and a bunch of bananas would definitely add some easy to down calories.

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 Post subject: Re: What are the bulkers eating???
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Great high calorie breakfast:

1.5 cups of oatmeal
1/2 cup raisins
1/3 cup hemp powder
2 TBSP maple syrup
1 cup soy milk
1/8 cup toasted coconut

Microwave raisins, oatmeal, hepm powder and soymilk. Top with raisin and coconut and enjoy!

I also have a protein shake in the morning after the oatmeal....

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 Post subject: Re: What are the bulkers eating???
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I eat soy quite a bit but I am concerned that I may be getting too many omega 6 fats. Is it possible to counter the omega 6 with omega 3? for example if you eat a lot of omega 6 also eat eat a lot of omega 3? Does the omega 3 murn up the omega 6 or are you just still clogging up your arteries with the omega 6?


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