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 Post subject: MY ABS( Do I need surgery?)
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:21 am 
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My Abs are awful. I've been this way since I lost all that weight. 80 pounds to be exact. Now all that's left is loose skin. I heard that to trim my abs in this condition to be lean and rock hard is slim to impossible and one option I have is plastic surgery. Although I would do it if I could afford it I can't afford it at the moment. Is there any other option or is plastic surgery my only option?

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This is something I have been struggling with for a while. I really would like to know if there is any way to eventually look like this without the need for surgery.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:26 am 
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Eat less calories than you take in.

It's not gonna happen fast.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:33 am 
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How old are you? If you are young your skin will probably adapt. As for the possibility of abs.. Hard work + good diet will get you abs. :) Just set a realistic goal (for example summer 2009) and go for it! No need for surgery imho, but you might want to look into Vitamine E creme to help your skin. Good luck!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:11 am 
Zack wrote:
Eat less calories than you take in.

It's not gonna happen fast.


Most of that is Skin Zack...Dr. Pink is now very skinny. I was almost on the same boat when I first lost all my weight. Your stomach will shrink a little over a couple of years but there will still be quite a bit of skin left. If you lift and gain muscle mass that will use up some of that extra space as well but they'll always be something there without surgery.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:14 am 
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Plastic surgery will not give you the abs shown in that picture. But it will remove some excess skin and fat.

If you want the best results, then train as if the abs in that picture are within your goal - THEN and only then consider plastic surgery. Even though you lost 80 pounds, you look to have a body fat percentage in the 20's (from your pictures). Adding a good 20 lbs or so of muscle and losing more fat will give you a better idea of your prospects.

I see this at work often with breast reductions, panniculectomies, abdominoplasties, etc. The patients spend thousands of dollars for okay results when they could have had fabulous results had they gotten into good enough shape that the surgeon could see exactly where the problem starts and overall bad shape ends.


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I agree with DV. I had the same problem as you, I lost weight and had a lot of extra skin. I weight trained for a long time, but nothing in my abdominal section came off. I was afraid of plastic surgery, but finally found a good surgeon, that was doing a new version of liposuction. And found a way to borrow the money. It is more expensive, but has far greater results. I might add that I was told from working out that my abs were rock hard, and they didn't need to touch the muscle. Usually they pull the muscles tight, but mine were already very tight. If anyone is thinking of plastic surgery, because nothing else has worked I'll tell you of a great plastic surgeon. It does help to be in good shape before the surgery, it aids in a faster recovery, and the results are better too.

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Zack wrote:
Eat less calories than you take in.

It's not gonna happen fast.


Cutting calories, reducing your energy intake, forces your body to consume stored energy, fat.

If Dr. Pink is right and that flab is skin dieting might not help.

It is also hard for me to tell the difference between loose and fat, but you can see the stretch marks on his abs.

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Dr. Pink;

Try to look up a burn recover center/hospital in your area. I've heard they always need skin. You might be able to work out a deal with them to "donate" your unwanted skin to them in exchange for them removing it for you.

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DV wrote:
I see this at work often with breast reductions, panniculectomies, abdominoplasties, etc. The patients spend thousands of dollars for okay results when they could have had fabulous results had they gotten into good enough shape that the surgeon could see exactly where the problem starts and overall bad shape ends.


Do you think it is worth it to consult with a plastic surgeon at the get-go to have her/him tell when you are ready or do you think money will always influence what they tell you ( you are not ready if you can't pay for it, you are ready if you can pay, etc. )?

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Get motivated and train your ass off. :wink:

Try to eat less calories. Cut off the high sodium in your foods. Start by Xing out the Soya Sauce !

Sorry for being so hard on ya Pinky. !!

But if you want those abs in that picture, you're going to have to train !
Consistency is the key to a healthier you

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i've read somewhere that low carb diets are good when you want to lose skin. however i have no idea if it's true.

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xjohanx wrote:
i've read somewhere that low carb diets are good when you want to lose skin. however i have no idea if it's true.


FWIW I stumbled across a low carb blog one day with a man who had the same complaint as Dr. Pink.

FYI, fat is stored energy that is used up with a dietary deficit.......skin is not stored energy that can be dieted away.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:49 pm 
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Personally, I think you've got some time to wait (and some work to do) before even considering surgery.

Skin is only a couple of millimeters thick, at the most. Your skin is definitely loose, but it's way too thick to be just skin.

The skin itself will tighten up with time, and you've got youth on your side. (Collagen production supposedly reduces with age, and it's what keeps the skin tight and smooth.) One of the things you can do to help it along is to exfoliate regularly with a loofah or body brush, to stimulate circulation.

What's under the skin - you can do the usual things that would help with body composition. Burn off fat and build muscle. If you previously ate lots of junk food, you may also be retaining fluids and some detox would help.

If you're looking for something with immediate results, I would recommend trying body wraps. Some of them actually do help tighten up post-weight-loss loose flesh.


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DV wrote:
Plastic surgery will not give you the abs shown in that picture.


Actually, I had heard that there was an "ab sculptor" plastic surgeon in CA who made it his job to "carve" out the grooves around the abs for people who wanted the perfect 6-pack. T-Mag did a feature on it some time ago when their editor had the procedure done just to see how much improvement he could get. However, that was for people who were already with flat stomachs - in Pink's case, it's not a viable option.

Yeah, the skin issue is a tough one. Even when I went down to 192 lbs. and looked absolutely scrawny, I still carried a little paunch in the front because that's where I had stored so much of my fat during the heavy days, and it simply did not want to go away. I could have PROBABLY fought to get rid of more of it, but that would have required obsessively working to lower bodyfat with everything I had, and that gets old quick. :D

I think he can make a fair amount more progress to probably reduce what he has by another 30-50%, but beyond that, if there's way too much loose skin there won't be much more that can be done. You won't really know until you're pretty well down to a very low bodyfat percentage everywhere else - if you're ripped in all other areas but the stomach is still loose, then that's a problem that won't likely go away on its own. I've heard from people who lost massive amounts of weight that sometimes, that skin just never goes back to normal, but usually it won't be "squishy" but just very, very loose.

One of my wife's friends who'd had 4 children had a similar problem with skin - she had her weight fluctuate a lot over the years between pregnancies (up to around 230, down as low as 130), and in the end, after her last baby, she dieted down to around 140 and was getting lean but had a kangaroo-like pouch of fat from all the weight fluctuations. She opted for plastic surgery - and let me say, skin removal isn't all that fun from what she has relayed to us.

First of, expect that it may cost upward of $5000 for a reputable surgeon (hers was $7k, on the higher side), and she had tubes coming out of her to handle the drainage for over a month after the surgery was complete. She was on bed rest for around 2 weeks, and the 2 months was basically light duty work, no lifting over 15 lbs., and she was in a lot of pain for about a solid month before she began to feel normal again. Also, depending on how the skin removal goes and how much is taken off, in her case they actually had to do a bellybutton reconstruction, which was pretty freaky. Basically, when they pulled the skin to tighten it, her navel area was not correctly aligned, so they had to actually re-sculpt it for her. Having that done adds on to the cost, but hey, if you don't mind looking unusual, it'd be a conversation starter to whip up your shirt and make up some crazy stories about how you were a cloned human or were hatched from an egg :D

Anyway, I'd say that more can be done to reduce the stomach area, but as far as having flawless abs, that may not be so easy. Just keep working on building a little more muscle and trying to drop more fat and in time, it will at the least look and feel better than it does right now.

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Michelle wrote:
Personally, I think you've got some time to wait (and some work to do) before even considering surgery.

Skin is only a couple of millimeters thick, at the most. Your skin is definitely loose, but it's way too thick to be just skin.

The skin itself will tighten up with time, and you've got youth on your side. (Collagen production supposedly reduces with age, and it's what keeps the skin tight and smooth.) One of the things you can do to help it along is to exfoliate regularly with a loofah or body brush, to stimulate circulation.

What's under the skin - you can do the usual things that would help with body composition. Burn off fat and build muscle. If you previously ate lots of junk food, you may also be retaining fluids and some detox would help.

If you're looking for something with immediate results, I would recommend trying body wraps. Some of them actually do help tighten up post-weight-loss loose flesh.


yeah you should ask Odidnetne about his cleanses :lol:

love the your quotes Michelle !!!

If you try the low carb thing you'll burn out when you're trying to train.
To shed fat you have to do cardio. I wish you'll be able to have magical fairies turn you into a mean mean muscle machine. But unfortunately we are not in magic land. :wink:
We have to work hard and keep our consistency

It also depends what kinds of foods you're storing in your body. Try substituting more fruit and green leafy vegetables instead of sugary processes foods.

:lol: sorry for the loads of information. I think I'm reminding myself in that department. To keep being consistent with my training. :lol:

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