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Starting from.. (better avoid if you're sensitive :P)

#1 Postby Pilgrim » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:30 pm

Hi there again, my whole story can be found at introduction section! Im inspired by what ive seen here and im determined to transform myself as well! I believe that my faith is strong enough to build up only on raw mostly fruits food. This should be interesting experiment :) Ive already noticed huge diffrence while running after changind diet into raw from junkish. Im not sweating at all and feeling like could run forever! Why cant it be the same with working out? Will see :) This is poor me now, would be thankful for any tips about beginners workouts proper for my body.
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#2 Postby Zack » Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:47 am

Pilgrim wrote:would be thankful for any tips about beginners workouts proper for my body.


Don't eat only fruit. I can tell just by your pictures your metabolism is extremely high.
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#3 Postby xjohanx » Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:27 am

What does your faith have to do with muscle building? Fruits are healthy and an excellent source for many nutrients but building your muscles on it is a crappy idea for sure.
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#4 Postby RawMan » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:09 am

Contrary to what you believe you can make muscles even with the fruit.
Just eat lots of nuts.

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#5 Postby I'm Your Man » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:43 am

Well you can at least try to gain muscles with only fruits. You got nothing to lose and life is full of experiments. Since you are a beginner, you should normally see visible gains during the first several weeks (as long as you put enough effort and intensity in your work-out), so if you dont then it may be related to your diet; either not enough fruits or only fruits dont work. But then you'll see for yourself and you'll know wether you need to make some changes or not. If you wanna eat mostly fruits you need to eat lots of it and also lots of greens. Eating too much nuts could cause some problems though, like chronic fatigues due to glycemic instability. You can also do things like raw food all day except the last meal or last few meals, or alternate one day of cooked food and then one day of fruits.
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#6 Postby tuc » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:45 am

It is scientifically proven fact that it is way more efficient to build muscle if you are getting a lot of protein from your diet. You don't need tons of it, but for a guy of your size I'd suggest 100 grams per day should be fine.

Also, you have to get enough calories to have gains. And it's easy to get calories if you eat something with lots of fat. It doesn't make you fat, it makes you strong. Avocado is a good source of fat if you want to get it from fresh fruits, but I'd suggest you take nuts, seeds and such to get that protein and those calories you need to build muscle at proper rate.

You can get nice muscles even if you eat super crappy food, but it is wwaaaaaaay easier if you do it with enough protein and with extra calories.
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#7 Postby RawMan » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:56 am

I recently was preparing the trays of fruit pieces and 50g of dried fruit.
50 x 6 meals = 300g of dried fruit.
The protein and calories than is considerable. :D

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#8 Postby Zack » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:58 am

RawMan wrote:The protein and calories than is considerable. :D


As is the sugar.
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#9 Postby Pilgrim » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:16 am

Hey, thanks for info. And ye, of course im eating alot of nuts as well. And honestly I believe that faith has more with gaining muscles than you and me can imagine :) We evoluted from whatever the life began of into the form of human on only raw food for milions of years so it should be the right way:) We just fucked up things when the fire appeared in humans life, forgot some obvious nutrition basics and what is worst replaced instinctive eating by intelectual. Of course its just my own opinion I might be wrong, however, the raw food diet is spreading around and there are plenty of living proves that you can be an monster eating just raw. Ill just expirience how it works, ive got nothing else to do in my life actually than having fun by doing unusual things :) From the other side, Im living in Poland and during the winter time, ill eat some cooked high quality food anyway coz I feel it better than imported fruits which are full of chemicals, so it should give me good comparision. I hope it will be my defnite farewell with dead food, ill surely find some way to survive next winter on raw food. Im getin rich over last months so maybe ill develop some way to grow my own during winter or just leave the country for that time. Ah and one more question, how about the running, should i stop it or shorten for the time of working out? (Its around of 1hour 3 times a week) I guess it will give opposite effect to training :( Greets from Poland and again thanks for all helpful advices.
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#10 Postby Zack » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:23 am

Normally I'd be a jerk, but i'm going to bail on this thread without saying anything more.
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#11 Postby xjohanx » Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:26 pm

Pilgrim wrote:And honestly I believe that faith has more with gaining muscles than you and me can imagine


You're wrong. Lifting hard, eating well and rest properly is key. Faith is not.

We evoluted from whatever the life began of into the form of human on only raw food for milions of years so it should be the right way


Homo erectus controlled fire about 1,5 million years ago. There is no proof whatsoever that a raw food diet is healthier than a diet containing cooked food. There are however studies showing dangers of high fructose consumption even though most of it refers to refined forms of fructose like syrup or juice.

there are plenty of living proves that you can be an monster eating just raw.


The only fit people I've seen that are raw were in better shape before going raw. If you have any cool stories/pics please share.
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#12 Postby vladamiraaron » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:58 pm

In general I agree and stoped myself from posting a knee jerk response ripping the OP due to the obvious silliness; the bit about faith and wanting to do it on a raw fruits diet. At any rate, and not wanting to be contrarian, isn't Lean and Green (Giacomo) doing it Raw? Obviously not only raw fruits, as I recall he was also sprouting, using nuts and seeds and some supliments/protien powders, but raw none the less right? And if this is correct it would certainly be the exception to most raw foodist nuts, but if one were to go down this route his example would be the one to look to. If so, you should check him and his story out on this website. I'd hate to see you reinvent the wheel and go it on faith alone.

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Pilgrim wrote:And honestly I believe that faith has more with gaining muscles than you and me can imagine


You're wrong. Lifting hard, eating well and rest properly is key. Faith is not.

We evoluted from whatever the life began of into the form of human on only raw food for milions of years so it should be the right way


Homo erectus controlled fire about 1,5 million years ago. There is no proof whatsoever that a raw food diet is healthier than a diet containing cooked food. There are however studies showing dangers of high fructose consumption even though most of it refers to refined forms of fructose like syrup or juice.

there are plenty of living proves that you can be an monster eating just raw.


The only fit people I've seen that are raw were in better shape before going raw. If you have any cool stories/pics please share.

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#13 Postby xjohanx » Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:09 pm

Okay I should have been more clear. I meant a raw fruit diet. Lean and green eats mostly spirulina, sun warrior and sprouts for calories.
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#14 Postby Marcina » Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:39 pm

xjohanx wrote:
Pilgrim wrote:And honestly I believe that faith has more with gaining muscles than you and me can imagine


You're wrong. Lifting hard, eating well and rest properly is key. Faith is not.

We evoluted from whatever the life began of into the form of human on only raw food for milions of years so it should be the right way


Homo erectus controlled fire about 1,5 million years ago. There is no proof whatsoever that a raw food diet is healthier than a diet containing cooked food. There are however studies showing dangers of high fructose consumption even though most of it refers to refined forms of fructose like syrup or juice.

there are plenty of living proves that you can be an monster eating just raw.


The only fit people I've seen that are raw were in better shape before going raw. If you have any cool stories/pics please share.



I'll admit that when I was high raw (80% or so) I felt amazing.

However, my muscles just didn't want to grow. I got hungry a lot too as it's hard to bulk on a raw food diet since raw fruits and veggies are pretty low cal. Nuts get boring after awhile.. Very quickly I might add.

The only way I've been able to gain muscle is by eating a high protein diet and getting it from sources like rice, beans, tofu, hemp, and of course I supplement as well. I still eat my big green salads, but I always start the day off with a big hot bowl of oatmeal :)

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#15 Postby tuc » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:36 pm

RawMan wrote:I recently was preparing the trays of fruit pieces and 50g of dried fruit.
50 x 6 meals = 300g of dried fruit.
The protein and calories than is considerable. :D


Calories: something like 1000 kcal -> considerable!
Sugar: 150 grams -> shitloads
Protein: 12 grams -> I get more protein from one 50g tofu&seitan sausages (which I have 1000 at home btw. :popcorn: ).

You need at least 0,7 grams protein per weight in kg to stay healthy. For someone who is 70kg (154lbs) you would need to eat almost 2 kg (5 lbs) of dried fruit just to get recommended minimum. And at the same time you would have something like 6000 kcal. Dried fruit shouldn't be considered as a protein source, since it has least protein compared to total calories of almost any food in the world.

(I checked the values for dried banana, values may vary a bit if different kinds of fruits are used)
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