I'm Your Man wrote:
The current Wrestler from India who won the Gold in World Wrestling Championships... is lacto-Vegetarian. Gets Almonds+Milk drink from his family village cows. A lot of old strong men used to drink litres of milk... So does this guy.
I know there's a lot of Anti-milk debate here.. but if you take it from the largest VEG population on the planet.. in India.. milk has been a staple. It might help pack on those pounds. Then again... Milk is crappy in the US.. due to factory farming.. unless you for Grass-fed / Organic / Not super processed via pasteurization.
What's the point of talking about supposed pros of milk on a vegan forum
? Anyways, milk is for calves. And most of the world population
is lactose intolerant and many are allergic to casein (Hmm... India & China.. Make a lot of the world population and trust me we have Milk.. We are not blessed with Whole Foods & similar food stores with Fancy SuperFoods & Algae & Brazilian Acai like the US & Europe)
. No animal species drink the milk of another species, especially not at adult age. Shall we talk about the Cons of milk on human health ? there's many. According to you milk does a man stronger. What's your explanation behind that ? The grownt hormones naturally found in it to allow the calves to grow faster faster (causing serious hormonal imbalance to humans who drink it), and the ones given to U.S dairy cows and found in American milk ?
Now a recent study proved that milk and dairy make people fat because of that reason, especially all the "probiotic" yogurts... because the billions of live bacterias found in a small serving of yogurt are the same ones given to animal farms to activate their grownt.
What am I doing here?
I am not here to change the definition of vegan that you have in mind. We've been vegetarian for generations so when someone came up with the word VEGAN.. big deal.
Except for milk & honey I have more in common with veggies here and have more to SHARE & LEARN than an Paleo or Meat pro forum. Are you here to argue... or prove or get proven.. ? or Learn from each other? ... We'd rather drop these small differences and unite if we are to get more people to go Veg & not KILL animals.
For this kid and other going veg here.. we need to help.. not be "super policing" about what is vegan and push people off the boat for small differences.
Its like 2 Zen Monks arguing over slight difference in meditation technique... v/s the Murderous Blood laced Tomb Raider..
I respect your choice (s).. I believe you'll respect mine. .. Acceptance and love goes a long way... even if your friends eat meat.. I dont like it but I dont condone or criticize anyone.. I share my learnings and lifestyle benefits in the most decent diplomatic manner. Then, its their consciousness that shifts whenever..
If meat, beef & veal eating people in the west suddenly woke up and realized their folly them giving up milk / honey and think they are somewhat superior to generations of Indians who have revered, prayed and taken care of cows and been lacto-veg forever... Then please take the podium and make yourself happy. There's no point arguing.
I am not even here to prove you wrong or prove myself right. I am here to share what I have learned. Of what I post below you can figure out what matches with your researchers and what doesnt... There are Pros & Cons to everything on the planet.
I CANT CHANGE YOUR MIND ... and YOU CANT CHANGE MINE
... So lets AGREE TO HAVE SOME LOVEABLE DIFFERENCES.. and LIVE WITH IT
Anyways... lets get to the point... MILK.. Pros and Cons as per Ayurveda... 5000+ years of natural organic PETA-friendly life science.. and respect and prayers to the Holy Cow! (most probably this used term by the west Holy Cow.. comes from the Indian influence on the British when they were so attracted to India that they formed a company in the name of India... East India Company)
Ayurvedas take on Milk. Read carefully.. Also, there are way different notes for Curd/Yogurt & other dairy products.
Ayurvedic practitioners recommendation of specific dairy products are made as per your body type after diagnosis (usually Pulse diagnosis). (Weather effect is also taken into account to balance your system.. PS: Are you taking your Milk cold or warm?)
Milk (Dugdha, Kßhíra)
Energetics: Sweet/cold/sweet VP- K+ Highly
sattwic. It is invigorating, increasing the dhátus.
Actions: May be taken in larger quantities than other
dairy. It is a tonic, rejuvenative, nutritive, aphrodi-
siac, calmative, laxative
Indications: Nourishes plasma, skin, all tissues (es-
pecially shukra dhátu). It is a tonic for the lungs
and stomach (reduces bleeding from these sites).
Milk calms dry cough and dry throat, fever, and
thirst. It is a mild laxative with ghee. For Pitta con-
ditions. It is excellent for the children and the eld-
erly, debilitation, convalescence, nourishing the
brain, nerves, mind, and memory. Boiled milk
builds ojas, promotes sleep (with warm nervine
herbs). Boiled, it reduces Váyu and Kapha. It pro-
Cows: Promotes longevity and rejuvenation. It
helps strengthen emaciation after injury, increases
intelligence, strength, and breast milk. It is a natu-
ral laxative, relieves exhaustion, dizziness, toxins,
difficult breathing, cough, severe thirst and hun-
ger; chronic fevers, urinary, and bleeding disor-
ders. It promotes auspiciousness. Cows’ milk is
said to be the best of the milks.
Goats: Easily digested and heals pulmonary TB,
fevers, difficult breathing, bleeding disorders and
Contraindications: It is damp and can weaken agni.
It generally contains residues of inorganic fertiliz-
ers, antibiotics, steroids; and is homogenized and
pasteurized; and comes from mistreated cows.
Thus, inorganic milk may cause side effects. Dairy
allergies may be due to these inorganic substances.
However, allergies may also be caused by its heavy
nature. Do not take milk at night, unless it being
used as a laxative or calmative. Then boil and use
the appropriate herbs and oils. May cause colds or
rheumatism. Goats Milk has a warm energy K- VP+.
Antidotes: To remove the heavy nature of milk, di-
gestive herbs such as ginger and cinnamon are sug-
gested. This may alleviate allergies.
Noon—KP-; digestive stimulant
PM—for children, calmative, laxative
Surface milk is good for all three doßhas The foam
is good for all three doßhas
A nice story...
To give a slight positive historical story here.. from my Grandad.. about Cows & Milk
Back in their village in pre-independence black & white movie.. British Colonized era of India.. They were local merchants/ traders and one time a batch of their PISTA aka Pistachios, ALMONDS and some Dry Fruits went kinda bad..
So him.. my grandad & his brothers as kids sorted and ate as much as they could and a bunch of the rest was FED to the cows..
Believe it or not.. he says for a week or so the Cow milk.. was wow! ... You wouldnt need to add any sugar and the taste and quality of the milk was phenomenal..
PS: Feel good story over.. we can get back to ranting