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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:53 pm 
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I feel like such a shit disturber. All because I started a thread about a new favourite - look what's blown up against the fan! :shock: :evil: 8)


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Nothing has blown up against a fan. And it is perfectly ok to start any topic, any thread or idea. We have passionate people on here and we're not always going to agree 100% of the time, but we're all here for a lot of the same reasons. We all have some interest in veganism, some interest in sports, and some interest in being part of a community with others who share those interests.

Choose your protein power and run with it 8)

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I overreacted to your post Rob, and needlessly bit your head off. Or, as one sexy Brit puts it, "looked for offence when none was meant."

Anyway, may I offer you your head back (if you dont mind the bite marks), along with an apology?


Thanks Nat,

I didn't see that the first time.

I don't ever mean any harm with what I write, but if I ever do, there will be no doubt about it. (some of my friends I hang out with can confirm that).

Anyway, thanks for giving me my head back.

R 8) B -- :arrow: with head intact

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Rob, congratulations on being the first human to survive without your head for three days. It must of been quite an experience....

Incidentally where did your head go for those three days it wasn't attached to your neck??????

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Although I haven't actually tried either of the two products mentioned in this thread, based on the ingredients list it's obvious to me that FAR more thought went into the formulation of Vega than Pure Trim. The latter is just (sorry Compassionategirl--I know you are very partial to the product) basically a Clif Bar in liquid form.

Realize that with Vega, Brendan has added two of the greatest superfoods in existence: Maca and Chlorella, both of which are noticeably disagreeable where taste and texture is concerned. It would take a magician to formulate a meal replacement with these two ingredients and make it taste like a slice of heaven--one is decidely chalky, the other tastes like seaweed. When I blend hemp, maca, flax and chlorella together and add it to juice or soymilk no amount of sweetener can make it taste like the greatest beverage on Earth--but I accept the taste, knowing that I'm ingesting copious levels of amino acids, phytosterols, omega-3s, chlorophyll, etc.

The people at Pure Trim "know better". They given the public what it wants: a smooth, rich, tasting shake (which is most likely vegan by accident) by adding mediocre and 'people friendly' ingredients instead of those that pack a much greater nutritional punch. Pure Trim uses the predictable standby as far as sweetener is concerned: fructose, which while OK in modest amounts, is really not health promoting--certainly not to the extent that stevia is, which is what is used in Vega. Vendors have been getting away with using fructose for years, giving the public the false impression that, from a nutritional standpoint, it is leagues beyond sucrose--but it's not. In small amounts, associated with pectin and fiber in its naturally occuring state (fruit), well fine. As a refined product in higher doses, it leaves much to be desired.

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michael wrote:


It would take a magician to formulate a meal replacement with these two ingredients and make it taste like a slice of heaven--one is decidely chalky, the other tastes like seaweed. When I blend hemp, maca, flax and chlorella together and add it to juice or soymilk no amount of sweetener can make it taste like the greatest beverage on Earth--My two cents.



:cry: :cry: :cry: There must be some way to make a nutritional power house like Vega more palatable. :cry: :cry: The bars for example are much better. Why do the bars taste better than the shakes? Scientific explanation please. :D

Also, Michael, I 100% agree with what you said about Pure Trim being vegan by accident. I addressed this point in a post above. As I noted earlier, Pure trim was not made with the goal of veganism in mind, and it isnt even marketted as vegan nor is it directed at a vegan market, nor is it even labelled as "suitable for vegans" or anything like that, which is further evidence that it isnt even marketted for vegans. The company probably doesnt even know what a vegan is and probably doesnt care. The veganism of the shake was indeed essentially "accidental", so you are absolutely correct in my opinion.

But that doesnt change the fact though that it is vegan nevertheless and tastes good. I agree that Vega is nutritionally superior to Pure Trim, but Pure Trim is better than a soy or whey isolate powder. Would you agree?

Also, is fructose carcinogenic in your opinion, like that aspertame and those other artificial sweeteners?

Thanks :D

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I might have said it before *cough* but i LOVE the taste of Vega! :D

Can't understand you others don't, but hey, maybe i'm just gifted ;D :lol:

As soon as i get rich i'm gonna order some Vega and get serious about bodybuilding :D

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I agree that Vega is nutritionally superior to Pure Trim, but Pure Trim is better than a soy or whey isolate powder. Would you agree?

Also, is fructose carcinogenic in your opinion, like that aspertame and those other artificial sweeteners?


I replied that the vegan nature of Pure Trim was accidental based on what you indeed wrote prior--this seemed an astute observation on your part. I do think that the product is also better than an ordinary soy isolate powder (and certainly the whey version with its many health pitfalls!).

Fructose is certainly not carcinogenic (at least not to my knowledge) and certainly preferable to aspartame, acefulsame-K and sucralose. It's just that the human body treats it more or less like sugar, i.e it will cause insulin spiking (not as much as sucrose) and will just as likely promote Candida as do all simple carbohydrates.


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The Vega bars use agave nectar as the sweetener, that might make a difference in taste


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michael wrote:
The Vega bars use agave nectar as the sweetener, that might make a difference in taste


Hmmm... just wondering whether it would be possible to make the sweetener in the shakes agave nector as well then, and whether doing so would make a huge difference in taste? Or is there a reason why the sweetener in the shakes has to be stevia?

Just wondering... I know nothing about chemistry.

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michael wrote:
Fructose is certainly not carcinogenic (at least not to my knowledge) and certainly preferable to aspartame, acefulsame-K and sucralose. It's just that the human body treats it more or less like sugar, i.e it will cause insulin spiking (not as much as sucrose) and will just as likely promote Candida as do all simple carbohydrates.


Thanks for the info. :D You should seriously consider pursuing a phD in food chemistry. 8)

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Compassionategirl,

Thanks--nutritional biochemistry is a fascinating subject to me. Stevia is readily available in powdered/crystalline form. Agave nectar is a sort of vegan analogue to honey--that might pose problems when creating a meal replacement formula as a powder, but I'm not certain on this. I've stated this before, that xylitol would have been (to my taste buds, anyway) the better choice as sweetener. See my comments about xylitol (and the links I provided if you are further interested) here:

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So is stevia a good thing to use for a sweetener? I use liquid drops to add to things sometimes.


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Here's a good article the nutritional benefits of stevia:

http://reid_j.tripod.com/stevia.htm


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Thanks, michael.
You are a true wealth of information.

Is it true that (I've read this...) aspartame is chemically changed to formaldehyde at temps above 85 F.?
Truly scary.


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