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 Post subject: Intermittent fasting
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:30 pm 
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Just thought it would be cool to have a thread about IF. It's getting kind of popular and I'm doing it and feel great.
Anyone else into it?

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:32 pm 
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IF is really the way my husband just prefers to eat. He doesn't really eat all day, but then has a few different meals in the evening. I used to lecture him about how unhealthy that was, but then I read about IF and realized that was basically what he was doing.

I don't know how I'd deal with it, I like to eat every 2-3 hours. Mostly because I love food. :popcorn:

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:17 pm 
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I had to fast for 12 hours before I got some bloodwork done. After 2 hours of not eating I was going crazy.

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:26 pm 
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I used to eat every 2-3 hours but it takes time for the body to adjust. For most people it's like 3 days or something.
This: http://www.physorg.com/news170688849.html is a pretty good text about ghrelin and hunger that I think a lot of bodybuilders/fitness people can relate to. "If you eat all the time, ghrelin secretion will not be well controlled".

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:46 pm 
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I'm not sure what intermittent fasting is.

I *try* to wait until I feel my stomach rumble/contract before I eat. It seems to make it easier for me to maintain my weight, my food tastes better and I feel healthier. Common sense I guess. Don't put more stuff in until you fully process what you already put in.

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:53 pm 
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On workout days, I do three meals and a snack after the workout for recovery. On days off, I do between 2-3 meals. I feel much better eating fewer times per day. My digestive system loves me.

If you eat fewer times per day for awhile, and don't eat like crap, you will stop feeling that nagging stomach hunger and it will become more of a chest/throat sensation. This is your telling you to eat to maintain or build your lean mass.

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:48 am 
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beforewisdom wrote:
I'm not sure what intermittent fasting is.


http://www.leangains.com has a lot of stuff on it. Dude who writes is from Sweden and basically he is the guy who is pushing this the most. He often reccomends 16 hours of fasting and 8 hours of eating. It's a great thing for people who want to loose weight but have low metabolic rates/NEAT and can only eat around 1200 kcal. Instead of doing the classis thing and "eat every 3 hours" which would mean around 6 meals of 200 kcal you can eat 2 meals of 600 kcal or for the hell of it 1 big meal of 1200 kcal and feel really satisfied instead of walking around half hungry all the time.
I think the main point to take home with this whole new "trend" is that meal frequency/"30 grams of protein every third hour"/etc is bullshit and something that is only pushed by protein powder companies, the old breakfast, lunch and dinner is awesome or the way that you do it BW, follow what your body tells you. The reason I'm doing IF is mostly due to the health benefits that have been found (when comparing isocaloric diets), like better insulin sensitivity for example. I also find it to be a lot easier for my digestive system to eat this way. There is a lot of research on this (mostly done on rats though) and you can find it if you search "intermittent fasting" on pubmed.

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:27 am 
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I do this often, usually without choosing it. Like these days I'm travelling, in NYC I was eating sometimes just one meal in the evening, then I fasted for about 30 hours - only ate in the plane and then didn't eat during the whole time I was in London and until I got off the plane I only ate hours afterwards when I went outside of my hotel room to a nice small vegeterian/vegan restaurant. After many hours without food, the stomach digests very well.
I like food too and love to eat, but I seem to prefer eating in the evening, in the day I'm more in an active mode, I like to walk, run, exercise, etc...

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:33 am 
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I'm Your Man wrote:
After many hours without food, the stomach digests very well.


This is my experience too! :)

I'm still doing this and it feels awesome. My sugar cravings are in check for the first time since...ever. I only eat two meals per day now but I get in around 140 grams of protein plus I take 24 grams of EAAs around training. I would really encourage people that have problems maintaining a good shape all year to try this.

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
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I'm Your Man wrote:
After many hours without food, the stomach digests very well.


This is my experience too! :)

I'm still doing this and it feels awesome. My sugar cravings are in check for the first time since...ever. I only eat two meals per day now but I get in around 140 grams of protein plus I take 24 grams of EAAs around training. I would really encourage people that have problems maintaining a good shape all year to try this.


Are you timing one of the meals within an hour or so after training, or are you relying on the EAAs as your "recovery" nutrition?

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:42 am 
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It is slightly different from day to day depending on how my university schedule looks like but usually this is the way it usually goes (sometimes everything* is an hour earlier and sometimes an hour later. *Except last meal which always ends at 11)

04.00 pm: EAA + creatine Training starts and lasts 45-60 minutes
05.15 pm: EAA
05.45 pm: Food
11.00 pm: Food

So I guess I can say that food is what I rely on for recovery after training since I don't get any carbs before that but the EAA is still a big part.

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
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Looks good. I am constantly considering dropping my morning smoothie. Other than that, I don't eat until after I finish training, around 2-4pm. I don't know if I'd still be able to down all the vegetables I want to, while still getting enough calories.

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:22 pm 
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cubby2112 wrote:
Looks good. I am constantly considering dropping my morning smoothie. Other than that, I don't eat until after I finish training, around 2-4pm. I don't know if I'd still be able to down all the vegetables I want to, while still getting enough calories.


I was worried about this too but I manage fine. I eat around 1-2 kg of non starchy veggies a day (here I count carrots as non starchy) and I don't blend anything at all. But if you like your morning smoothie I don't think it's a big deal at all. If I eat breakfast I will automatically want lunch and maybe a snack so this way suits me better. It's good that you don't have meal frequency paranoia like most people :)

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
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xjohanx wrote:
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Do you take any vitamins/minerals?

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 Post subject: Re: Intermittent fasting
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B12 and D. Why?

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