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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:42 pm 
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you raised grain fed, free range chickens yourself?


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No. Aside from the AR perspective or even if you are keeping the chicken as a pet, laying an egg is part of a chicken's menstrual cycle.... and it comes out of the chicken's butt....so ewwwww :tongue2:

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You put this in the health section so do you mean to ask if they are nutritious? No, they really aren't necessary for good nutrition and are even kind of harmful.

Also they contribute to the mindset that animals are for food.

Now if I was starving and that's all there was to eat, then sure.


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 Post subject: ...eating eggs
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:11 pm 
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I ask because someone on another site wrote about it and said that VEGAN can be defined in different ways, and that he would eat eggs himself if he raised hens, knowing they would be well treated. And that if VEGANS would be TRUE vegans, then they wouldn't be able to wear certain clothing, shoes, use plastics etc.... basically that it's tough to not have some sort of animal product in today's stuff....
....just a curious question
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Where would the hens come from? Rescue hens?

If the hens were anything other than rescue hens, then you have the whole messy issue of where the hens came from and whether their male siblings were killed as part of the whole egg-laying hen raising process.

But let's take the scenario that you took in some rescue hens and they wandered around and you fed them and they laid some eggs. At first it seems like whether you eat the eggs or leave them to rot would have no effect on the hens themselves, but it actually could somewhat change how you see them and then how you relate to them. It's possible that you could be on the lookout for any such changes and fight them, but I dunno. I say it's better not to eat them. There's no reason to, anyway. I mean, if the argument for it being ethically okay is that eggs are just waste products that are just being left there by the hens, that doesn't it make it sound very appealing to eat them, does it? My dog's poop could be described the same way and I surely would not eat that.

Regardless, even if one could make the argument that there are absolutely no ethical issues with eating the eggs of the rescue hens you took in, I still would not describe a person who ate them as vegan.

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I wouldn't eat them. I haven't had eggs in so long that I don't even see them as a food anymore. I see nothing wrong with other people eating them though as long as they really are free range. The stuff labeled free-range in the grocery store usually isn't though


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That's a good question. I don't see anything ethically wrong with it. If the chickens are just let to roam around freely like in a permaculture setting or wild. And if the egg is just going to waste anyways and they don't eat it. Or fertilize it. I don't know anything about hen cultures and when to tell if an egg is fertilized. However if we are talking about wild eggs, then why limit it to hens. There are plenty of other birds out there. Just because the western culture has limited the foods to only a few animals. Chickens for eggs, cows for dairy etc.

It would be a lot more ethical then dairy because for that the animal has to become pregnant and the food is meant for it's baby.

I've seen chickens eat their own eggs, or rather they let their babies and young ones eat the eggs.

I'd still consider the person vegan because to me veganism is about cruelty free and non-exploitation, which the situation would be. Nothing living is getting hurt or abused or exploited, so it's still within the vegan ethics. Nutritionally it's not a vegan plant food, but ethically it could fit within the lifestyle and principles.

As far as nutrition goes, I guess they could provide some B-12 and DHA that is often lacking in plant food. I don't know what else. I haven't had an egg since well, 14yrs ago when I was a teenager. I don't know if I would have the appetite for them. But if they were just going to waste in that situation I would give them to somebody at least who would appreciate them, most likely my dogs! :wink:


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If they're rescued chickens, and there isn't a rooster among them, then I don't see it is a very immoral thing to do.

I agree with crash that it's still gross. The 'gross' aspect doesn't really enter into my day to day life, the reason I avoid animal products is a moral reason, and I used to eat them all the time. But now I look at them and they don't seem like food to me, and I'd rather not eat them no matter how they are produced.

Also from a practical point of view, I imagine I'd become physically ill if I ate eggs or milk now, it's been over 5 years, and I think maybe my digestive system would be shocked by them. That is definitely the case with meat, as I accidentally had animal fat when I was younger, and I got very sick from it. I am not sure about eggs and milk, but don't want to find out.

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 Post subject: Thanks for your great answers
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It had nothing to do with me, it was a subject I had read about somewhere else and I found it to be interesting.
I'm learning lots here, thanks


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No I wouldn't....cholestrol.


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I know that the folks at Farm Sanctuary have chickens (rescued) that lay eggs. They don't eat them themselves, because it does contribute to the idea that animals are meant to provide us food, but they boil them and feed them to some of the other animals.

I wouldn't, because they are no longer food to me. And what would I be doing with a chicken anyway?

Comparing this to using plastics that might have some animal product in along the way is really an invalid comparison. You would KNOW the egg is most obviously an animal product, and could choose to avoid it. With the plastic, if it's part of something like a medical device you need, for example, there is no way to know, and sometimes no choice.

And what other types of clothes besides leather, wool and silk (which I don't use) would one have to avoid?


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I personally feel that veganism is the practice of avoiding the consumption or use of animal/animal-derived products. Therefore, I think eating eggs, no matter how fairly the parents were raised, would violate that.
But if one was going to eat eggs, that's certainly the way to do it.

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That's a good question. I don't see anything ethically wrong with it. If the chickens are just let to roam around freely like in a permaculture setting or wild. And if the egg is just going to waste anyways and they don't eat it.


This argument gets used alot, especially by people who follow an omnivorous diet. My answer is simply that chickens, pigs, cows, etc. are bred for human consumption. No consumption, no need for breeding. Simple.


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If the chickens were being bred, I'd say no to eating the eggs, but if they aren't being bred, and the chickens are only in captivity for their own good, then eating the eggs is neither here nor there I think. It's not 'exploitation' because the eggs would rot anyway. It is exploitation if you keep breeding the chickens into captivity and taking the eggs, because then it's not for their own good that they're in captivity, it's for the human's pleasure which is wrong.

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IMHO it's neither here nor there that the chickens are being kept there for their safety -- you either consider eggs food or not. IMO just because you or the shelter is doing them a favor doesn't automatically mean you/ the shelter is entitled to take their goods. It's not the same as 2 people bartering, because how do you get the chicken's consent ? :repa:

Besides, could you guarantee that taking and eating their eggs would not continue or escalate to abuse of the cycle ?

If you were starving to the point of eating another person, then go for it, but other than that -- it's sustenance not food.

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