willpeavy wrote:Hey Flanders thanks for commenting, no offense was taken, so no worries about stepping on my feet. One of the reasons I like this message board so much is because people on here tend to be more open minded and positive about things. Whereas some other vegan boards I've been on people just want to call you names if you don't adhere to the exact extreme of the animal rights philosophy that they specify. ... Anyway, you were saying you don't understand my perspective. Basically I feel this way: "Who cares if you're vegan? "Vegan" is just a word. You could go around telling people you are Papa Smurf and that wouldn't really make a difference to me either. What matters if people are conscious about how their decisions affect the world and then do something about it." In an applied instance, my attitude could be conveyed like this --- say I have a friend who eats meat 3 times a day, but after I give the friend some information he says, "Okay, I want to cut back on meat. I'm going to start eating one entirely vegetarian meal a day." I could respond with something like, "Yes but you are still oppressing the hens, chickens, cows, etc with your other 2 meals..." Or I could say, "Awesome. I'll show you some good stuff to eat for your vegetarian meal." If someone told me, "I'm going to only eat eggs from hens that live in a cage free yard at my friend's farm." I could go into some lecture about how the person is contributing to the social construct of treating hen's eggs as food products and yadda, yadda, yadda... Or I could say, "Cool, good idea." You know, why bother worrying about people who eat eggs from free range hens? When people do that I think they miss the bigger picture. There are billions of hens crammed into factory farms, so why waste energy worrying about some hippies who eat free range eggs?
I tend to keep this pretty quiet, but over the 11 months this new version of our forum has been up, I feel like you might be the person I have the most in common with. We have very similar approaches to things, opinions on things, and we also appreciate a lot of the same things. The only main difference we have is you do greater range of motion on pull-ups and probably push-ups too.
Sometimes I have a hard time keeping up with all the threads, but I have to say that we are on the same page nearly all the time, and you gave the same response I would give to this situation.
Of course, as most people know since I often talk about it, I do focus on the Big Picture too. So thanks Flanders for reminding us not to forget about it.
I haven't read all the posts on the egg topic, I'm kinda jumping in, but of course I am against eating eggs for any reason, but like some have said, in the grand sceme of things we have more important things to worry about, protest, speak up about, than eggs from free-range hens.
It is a very interesting subject though. It is probably one of the toughest topics for me and probably for others in animal rights/vegan debates with non-vegans.
Cheers to the open minds, thanks for the multiple comments about the friendliness and open-minded attitude and integrity the forum keeps. That was one of my main goals for the beginning, and I'm glad to see nearly a year later, we're still staying true to that desire and I think we are making a positive impact on our audience.
....back to more push-ups now....with Will Peavy-style range of motion. I just hope I don't hit my back on the ceiling