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 Post subject: Re: How many calories?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:03 pm 
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How are your gains? are you gaining muscle mass, fat? If you are gaining then it is fine, if you arent, then bump it up 100-200 cal a day and moniter how your body responds. There is no set amount od calories for any given height, weight ratio (there can be a guideline but not a near exact value). It is not rocket science; for if it were, half of the bodybuilders in the world wouldn't have been able to gain the muscle they did!

However, in saying that, start at 3000 and see how it goes.

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I don't appear to be gaining either?! Is that just a case of not eating enough? I do shift work so I'm really struggling to get an eating routine down


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 Post subject: Re: How many calories?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:05 am 
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And I've not really been monitoring my calorie intake because I thought it was too controlled is it a good idea? At least until I get used to the amounts?


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 Post subject: Re: How many calories?
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And I've not really been monitoring my calorie intake because I thought it was too controlled is it a good idea? At least until I get used to the amounts?


I always recommend counting calories. Why? Because people either over- or -under-estimate their intake (usually the opposite of what they're trying to accomplish) and, therefore, end up spinning their wheels trying to accomplish their goals. Just because you think you're eating over your maintenance doesn't mean you are - to see real progress and changes, you have to track your calories/macros and be consistent with your diet, training, and counting.

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 Post subject: Re: How many calories?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:29 pm 
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klaatu21 wrote:
And I've not really been monitoring my calorie intake because I thought it was too controlled is it a good idea? At least until I get used to the amounts?


I always recommend counting calories. Why? Because people either over- or -under-estimate their intake (usually the opposite of what they're trying to accomplish) and, therefore, end up spinning their wheels trying to accomplish their goals. Just because you think you're eating over your maintenance doesn't mean you are - to see real progress and changes, you have to track your calories/macros and be consistent with your diet, training, and counting.



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Do you know of an app or a web site that can help keep track of the numbers? It's such a daunting task, and what's a good macro ratio to use?


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klaatu21 wrote:
Do you know of an app or a web site that can help keep track of the numbers? It's such a daunting task, and what's a good macro ratio to use?




This is what I use:



http://www.myfitnesspal.com/

Fast, effective, and if you have trouble, just google how to use it and you will be fine :D

And here is a link to calculate your total daily energy expenditure quickly, note: it is the most accurate one i have found so far, besides calculating it manually:

http://nutritiondata.self.com/tools/calories-burned

Best of luck, and if you have any questions feel free to ask.

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do 3212 calories a day, so should i go for about 3500 to go for lean mass gains? and what percentage should be protein/carbs/fat?


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 Post subject: Re: How many calories?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:38 am 
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so acording to that site i need 55% carbs, 15% protein and 30% fat does that sound ok?


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 Post subject: Re: How many calories?
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klaatu21 wrote:
do 3212 calories a day, so should i go for about 3500 to go for lean mass gains? and what percentage should be protein/carbs/fat?



Well to work out your calories needed for lean mass gains, multiply 3212 calories by 15-20% and add that value to the 3212 calories.

(in the instance below we are multiplying by 20%, you can do fifteen though if you want slower and slightly cleaner gains)

So: 3212 x 0.2 = 642.4 calories

3212 +642.4 = 3854.4 calories

(Below is with 15%)


3212 x 0.15 = 481.8 calories

3212 + 481.8 = 3693.8 calories


Conclusion, eat between 3693.8 calories and 3854.4 calories per day for lean muscle gains.


Note: In most cases 500 is a pretty accurate variable to go by, however the method above is prefferred among more people.

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 Post subject: Re: How many calories?
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klaatu21 wrote:
so acording to that site i need 55% carbs, 15% protein and 30% fat does that sound ok?



If you click 'Change Your Fitness Goals' you will see 2 options: a guided setup and a custom setup

In the guided setup you cant change your macronutrient ratios, however, in the custom set up you can.

Personally I have a:

55/20/25 split (c/p/f)

or a:

60/20/20 split (c/p/f)


I can't really give you much advice on the best macro split as everyone varies greatly, some work better on higher fat, lower carbs; others work better with a higher carbs, lower fat diet.

My advice with macros: Experiment week by week until you find the best one suited for you.

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Nicholas_Weir wrote:
I can't really give you much advice on the best macro split as everyone varies greatly, some work better on higher fat, lower carbs; others work better with a higher carbs, lower fat diet.

My advice with macros: Experiment week by week until you find the best one suited for you.


Everything in Nicholas's posts is spot on. Though, I'd give it 2-3 weeks just because it'll take a little while for the body (and mind) to adjust between high fat or high carb; also don't forget to try out cycling (high-carb/low fat on lift days; lower-carb/higher fat on non-lift days) because that does wonders for some people, too.

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 Post subject: Re: How many calories?
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vegansludge wrote:
Nicholas_Weir wrote:
I can't really give you much advice on the best macro split as everyone varies greatly, some work better on higher fat, lower carbs; others work better with a higher carbs, lower fat diet.

My advice with macros: Experiment week by week until you find the best one suited for you.


Everything in Nicholas's posts is spot on. Though, I'd give it 2-3 weeks just because it'll take a little while for the body (and mind) to adjust between high fat or high carb; also don't forget to try out cycling (high-carb/low fat on lift days; lower-carb/higher fat on non-lift days) because that does wonders for some people, too.



Good note! 2-3 weeks would be much better than my reccommended 1 week.

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 Post subject: Re: How many calories?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:20 am 
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Wow thanks every one, now I have the mammoth task of planning my meals now, do either of you have an example I can work from?


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 Post subject: Re: How many calories?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:48 am 
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I know this is a rediculous question but I should count carbs and the like from veg and fruit too shouldn't I?


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