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 Post subject: Who relies on grains as a staple diet or for their protein?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:00 am 
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Long story short, this review says that grains reek havoc on your body. Humans simply haven't evolved to eat them. Does it say anything about this in Roberts book? http://www.beyondveg.com/cordain-l/grai ... shtml#late role


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Sounds like you have been learning from the Paleo Diet. I suggest you go on youtube and look up the Primitive Nutrition channel and start there for some information.


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For me stopping grains, wheat in particular, has made losing fat and gaining muscle easier than I ever thought it could be. Have been veg since 94, vegan since 04. I ate loads of grains for many years. After quitting grains my exercise seems a lot less in vain, I get results daily now. Six months ago I went on a cardio terror and lost 10 lbs with a lot of effort. 3 months ago I quit grains, slowed WAY DOWN on the cardio and have lost another 20 lbs. Ten or so more lbs of tough flab and I will be where I have always wanted but never thought possible. Then any muscles gains will be very obvious (and motivating). I stumbled onto the grain/flab relationship when I started an anti-candida diet in support of my wife. Then I read "Wheat Belly". I don't see how I can ever go back to grain now.


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I've been eating sprouted grains nearly every day and thriving. I love my oat groats muesli!

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I use grains primarily to make a complete protein:

whole wheat + peanut butter
whole wheat gluten + almonds
brown rice + unhulled sesame seeds

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 Post subject: Re: Who relies on grains as a staple diet or for their prote
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Serious ix of information now. Surely It cant hurt to avoid some grains. Im definitely of the body type which is fairly muscular but I struggle to loose the last 10% bodyfat


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DevilsAdvocate? wrote:
Long story short, this review says that grains reek havoc on your body. Humans simply haven't evolved to eat them. Does it say anything about this in Roberts book? http://www.beyondveg.com/cordain-l/grai ... shtml#late role



Aside from about 2 years in college, I've been a vegetarian for over 30 years. After the first year I read "Diet For A Small Planet" by Frances Moore-Lappe. Since then I have eaten grains every single day of my life and more than once a day. Whole grain & legume combinations have been the staple of my diet for the majority of my life. My health is excellent.

Outside of celiac and allergy sufferers I don't see anything wrong with grain. People have been using grain as a staple for most of human history and I have for most of my life so people telling those tales will have a hard time convincing me.

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I get protein from fruit! Happy new year :)

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Yeah, people have eaten bread for thousands of years. Proper bread (i.e. flour, water, a littlle salt and nothing else in the mix). Fruit is the best source of carbs,energy and protein for humans though, however grains come in second place.

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Check out the book "Grain Damage" by Dr. Doug Graham (author of 80/10/10 Diet). You won't want to eat them again.

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beforewisdom wrote:
DevilsAdvocate? wrote:
Long story short, this review says that grains reek havoc on your body. Humans simply haven't evolved to eat them. Does it say anything about this in Roberts book? http://www.beyondveg.com/cordain-l/grai ... shtml#late role



Aside from about 2 years in college, I've been a vegetarian for over 30 years. After the first year I read "Diet For A Small Planet" by Frances Moore-Lappe. Since then I have eaten grains every single day of my life and more than once a day. Whole grain & legume combinations have been the staple of my diet for the majority of my life. My health is excellent.

Outside of celiac and allergy sufferers I don't see anything wrong with grain. People have been using grain as a staple for most of human history and I have for most of my life so people telling those tales will have a hard time convincing me.


I would be curious to know what your BF% has been for those 30 years. Has it dropped? Steadily increased? Leveled out? I was a grain freak too for many years. Can't stress enough how stopping has melted away the fat. I do miss grains, but not the fat that hung around. I am sure it is different for different people but the wife is still dropping as well...


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I recently started eating whole grain pasta thinking it would be healthier than regular pasta. Was I wrong. I started experiencing pounding headaches and whole body tremors.

Eat them if you can tolerate phytic acid.

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veghead25 wrote:
I recently started eating whole grain pasta thinking it would be healthier than regular pasta. Was I wrong. I started experiencing pounding headaches and whole body tremors.

Eat them if you can tolerate phytic acid.


Is that why I had headaches every day for 4o years and they stopped when I quit eating wheat? Hmm. I gotta google phytic acid now...


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 Post subject: Re: Who relies on grains as a staple diet or for their prote
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Is that why I had headaches every day for 4o years and they stopped when I quit eating wheat? Hmm. I gotta google phytic acid now...


There isn't really any in regular pasta and white rice.

Be careful not to fall into the mark sisson trap when searching for phytic acid. :wink:

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