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 Post subject: Green smoothies = bad, according to Happy Herbivore
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:17 pm 
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What do you guys think of this article? For awhile now I've found her "scientific health claims" annoying, as usually there is no actual science anywhere in sight, but I feel like this is taking it to a new level. I'm not attacking her personally, but there are a lot of claims in the post that don't seem to have a basis in reality - like chewing a salad burning 100 calories.

I'd be happy to hear other people's thoughts.

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 Post subject: Re: Green smoothies = bad, according to Happy Herbivore
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:30 pm 
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My thoughts are that green smoothies rule! Hey, if someone is saying something profoundly ludicrous, you know what to do: smirk, do an about face, and move quietly and confidently in the direction of sane people. Don't give the nut bag another thought. Focusing too long and intently on weirdos will give you a headache, a heartache, and an unusually strong craving for primetime television.

Relax and have a green smoothie. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Green smoothies = bad, according to Happy Herbivore
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Oh, I was relaxed. I was just interested in what other folks thought. I wasn't asking because I was looking for advice.

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I don't buy it. I'm siting juice man Jack Lalanne's long healthy life as my argument.

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 Post subject: Re: Green smoothies = bad, according to Happy Herbivore
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Oh, I was relaxed. I was just interested in what other folks thought. I wasn't asking because I was looking for advice.


It wasn't my intention to offend. :( I was aiming at lighthearted sarcasm directed at the article writer.

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 Post subject: Re: Green smoothies = bad, according to Happy Herbivore
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Baby Hercules wrote:
lobsteriffic wrote:
Oh, I was relaxed. I was just interested in what other folks thought. I wasn't asking because I was looking for advice.


It wasn't my intention to offend. :( I was aiming at lighthearted sarcasm directed at the article writer.

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ha, oh geez, I didn't mean to sound offended to your post. Sorry, now that I re-read my post it does sound bitchy, but that wasn't my intention at all! I just meant that I wasn't asking to get feedback for myself, I just wondered what others thought about the benefits of chewing vs. blending.

Personally I think it's poppycock to say a green smoothie should be thought of as a milkshake and only consumed on a very rare basis as a treat. I love me my smoothies! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Green smoothies = bad, according to Happy Herbivore
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I laughed while reading this. Thanks for the laugh ;)

I love green smoothies and juices. Sure fruit juices in my opinion aren't the healthiest but veggies juices are awesome for my health.
The blender does a better job than my chewing, I think I get more out of the food when I blend them, I still chew my green smoothies a bit because I love the taste.
Nothing beats eating foods in their whole state though its the best of the best, monomeals are great too but I don't think green smoothies are bad for my health. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Green smoothies = bad, according to Happy Herbivore
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Truth be told, I hadn't even read the article because my Full-of-Crap-O-Meter was burying the needle. I just went back and read it and, Glory be, wouldn't you know it? I was completely right.

Paging Dr. Campbell:

Every statement you made is easily--and I mean easily--refuted. Fiber too finely broken down because it's blended, not chewed? What do you do, swallow your fruit whole? If you chew, you're breakin' it down, fella. It's called a smoothie because it's thick and it's thick because it's packed with suspended fiber. Back to eight grade physics with you.

Not enough saliva to digest it properly? Take smaller sips; stop imitating a summer cola commercial by tipping it back like a volleyball player on the beach. Smoothies are more fun when they're savored, anyway. If it doesn't taste good enough to savor, you're not makin' it right. Experiment until you look forward to your Blender Time every day. Life is too short for nasty smoothies. I'm gonna put that on a bumpersticker.

Smoothies are solid sugar? Duh--depends on what you put in them, Mr. Science. I've always thought a "smoothie" was when you put the apple in the blender and a "juice" was when you put the apple in the juicer. What, do you open a carton of Minute Maid, upend it over tub of fruit on the bottom yogurt, and hit "Pulse?" That ain't a legal smoothie. I've always used whole fruit. As a matter of fact, the aforementioned apple goes right into my blender unscathed by knives. I only remove the stem and the organic sticker from the peel. A good blender fears no seeds; a good smoothie needs no sweeteners.

I really don't think anybody in a bodybuilding forum is gonna give a rat's patootie about a measly 100 calorie discrepancy just because they swallowed their fruit instead of working up a sweat chewing it. Heck, I'm burning more than 100 calories pounding out this love letter to you right now, Herr Doktor. Wanna score an extra 100 calories? Pick up the weights that other people left laying around the weightroom and put them back where they belong in between your sets. Nothing bad about that. And you can celebrate with a green smoothie.

Gasp! Smoothies are 400 to 800 calories? Well, clutch the pearls, I sure as peanuts hope they are! This is a bodybuilding community, Sir. Our daily challenge is finding enough fuel to keep our super powered engines gunned. Athletes live in a rarified zone of high performance workouts and high performance food. Otherwise, why would anybody come up with bizarre things like powdered protein and Goo? Criminy, if I drank a mere 200 calorie smoothie before working out, I'd have to run home twice for more before the end of my workout just to keep my stomach from rumbling. Luckily, I live across the street from my gym...hmmm....

Dr. Campbell, I think you got a skewed sense of nutritional reality by watching non-athletes file in and out of a Jamba Juice or something. Yes, some smoothies are glorified ice cream sodas. Yes, many people shovel it in without thinking. Yes, low calorie is the way to go if you lead a sedentary life and own no gym clothes.

But this is Vegan Bodybuilding & Fitness. So, stick that in your blender and puree it. :boxer:

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 Post subject: Re: Green smoothies = bad, according to Happy Herbivore
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:34 am 
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Personally I think there's some truth to some of it.

I do think that it's better for the sugar in fruits to have a good mechanical interaction with saliva. Saliva exists for a reason, and that is to help digest sugars. When we drink juice or drink smashed up fruits and liquid, it makes sense to give it a good swish before swallowing. Saliva is good for other things too, like when you are mad at people... what?

I don't know about the fiber business in blended smoothies. It seems like the blender would have to be pretty damn strong to render all that fiber useless. I don't think most regular blenders are that good.

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 Post subject: Re: Green smoothies = bad, according to Happy Herbivore
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That's an interesting point viva. I think I read somewhere that Dr. Campbell (or it might have been Dr. Esselstyn, I don't remember) said that Vita Mixes were the worst and you shouldn't use one for that very reason - they work TOO well.

I think at the end of the day if a green smoothie means you are getting greens and fruits that you wouldn't otherwise be eating, they're a wonderful thing. Maybe it would be better if you actually chewed all of that food, I don't know. But I do know for myself it allows me to get greens in at breakfast. Breakfast salads just aren't my thing - props to those that eat them.

I think Herc has a good point too - it really depends on your goals. Not everyone wants to follow a low calorie diet. If you are trying to get in lots of nutritious calories for bodybuilding or some other such thing, it makes sense that you would want dense nutrition like that.

I feel like there are shades of grey here and the article is trying to make it black and white (i.e., smoothies are like milkshakes and BAD, eating salads GOOD). Food for thought anyway.

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Yep definitely a lot of shades of gray that aren't touched on in this relatively simplistic article. I suppose a vitamix is a little like a juicer. But if it gets you to eat your dandelion leaves, then that's a pretty good thing!

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Dandelion leaves and red pepper slices tossed with a nice balsamic dressing...Mmmmmmmm! Oh, sorry, got distracted there for a moment. :lol:

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Now there's some food for thought right there.

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I can see limiting juice intake, but smoothies? No way. :)

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BH, that was so amazing i'm clutching my synthetic pearls with laughter.

There is no way I would ever just sit down with a glass of almond milk, a banana, 3-4 cups of spinach, a scoop of protein powder (that is probably also horrible for me) and go to town. That would also take a lot longer. Sometimes after I workout, or if i'm busy doing chores around the house, I don't even WANT to eat but I know I should, so I make a green smoothie.

I don't use any added sweeteners either, and my almond milk is unsweetened, so i'm not consuming any extra sugar in the glass than I would by eating everything outside of the blender.

But I am not trying to maintain a 1200 calorie diet devoid of oil, avocados, nuts, or seeds, so what do I know.


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