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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:53 am 
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I am 5'10 1/2 130 pounds and around 18.5 - 19.0 percent body fat. It's gross. My goal is to look like this lady one day.
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She takes creatine and says it helped her get the cut look she has. I have heard lots of women say it's a great product to use and it will help me get more definition. So I go to buy some at the local GNC the other day and this guy who was eating a fast food burger and fries (i kid you not) and isn't in that great of shape but thinks he is tells me that creatine will make me fat. Hmmmmmmmmm.... The kind I was looking at only had 140 or 150 calories in it if I don't go over my calorie consumption for the day how will I get fat? I mean I do work out and stuff. So my question is will creatine make me cut or fat? Thanks.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:28 am 
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i thought creatine was to gain muscle? and it adds water weight to help aid the muscle in repair?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:48 am 
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Yeah I heard I should take it to help get lean muscle and more "cut". I have heard you gain 3-5 pounds of water weight when taking it but I don't think me being 135 pounds would be fat :lol: So I was just wondering if anyone here had taken it and if they had any problems with it. The guy kept giving out free advice I didn't ask for and telling me you'll get really fat if you take that. He also told me trimspa would help with getting more muscle :roll: For those who aren't familiar thats the diet pill Anna Nicole went on to lose weight. I never knew muscle came in pill form haha.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:43 pm 
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Natural, creatine gives you more energy via replenishing the ATP cycle and it has a side effect of retaining water. Although muscle is made up of water, while you are on it, you might not like the bulky look that comes with it...


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:51 am 
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natural blonde, first of all, if you know the pictured woman, you may want to ask her if she supplements with any muscle-building or fat burning agents such as: clenbuterol, winstrol, deca-durabolin etc... all of which, by the way, are illegal drugs. also take surgeries into consideration. people have no idea what extremes even fitness models, both male and female, go to.
about creatine,
1. no it WILL NOT make you fat.
2. only buy 100% pure creatine monohydrate, don't get the products like cell tech or GNC brand that have sugar in them as well, just take your creatine with grape juice or gatorade to get the same effect.
3. take 5g with gatorade or grape juice immediately after training and first thing in the morning on non-training days.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:18 am 
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I don't now the lady I just read her website and she has a page about her creatine use. Thanks for the info on creatine. I went out Tuesday and bought the Gnc version =( oops. Oh well it was only 20.00 bucks for a huge container compared to 60.00 for the other kind so I wanted to make sure I liked it before I spent a lot on it. Thanks for the advice though and when I run out I will be sure to get a better kind. I've only taken it twice so far and I already feel very bloated with it. I guess that's from the water weight?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:27 am 
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naturalblonde wrote:
I went out Tuesday and bought the Gnc version =( oops. Oh well it was only 20.00 bucks for a huge container compared to 60.00 for the other kind so I wanted to make sure I liked it before I spent a lot on it. Thanks for the advice though and when I run out I will be sure to get a better kind.


I think the advice was to avoid the creatine drink mixes that are mostly sugar. GNC brand is fine, for $20 you can get about 200 servings of pure creatine. However, GNC also sells products like creadrive that are creatine plus sugar. You only get about 20 servings of creatine and a whole bucket of sugar for your same $20. Better to buy the pure creatine and use your own sugar drink or smoothie to put it in. I believe actual creatine in most products is made by the same manufacturer, regardless of what brand it is being marketed with.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:38 am 
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yea michael, creadrive (lol saw that the other day) and the like were the products that i was referring to. good to know you just bought pure monohydrate.

about the bloat, i often get a feeling like that with preworkout or postworkout supplements. i think it's because i'm in a hurry to drink them, resulting in my "downing" the whole thing. try just sipping on the stuff, and if you continue to feel bloated, it may be the creatine itself. in which case, you can cut the serving down to 3g/day instead of 5 or 10

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 Post subject: Creatine and cutting up
PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:39 pm 
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While I admire your desire to chisel yourself just that much more, after reading your stats I think that it is important that you check yourself for sanity :D . I don't know whether to offer my advice or ask you for a date! If you are a competitive bodybuilder and need that edge then, well okay, let's talk.

While creatine may help you knock out an extra rep or two, it will most probably have you retaining some water as well, which is not great for cutting up. It's kind of like asking if protein will make you more cut? While you may inadvertantly get cut while using it, it on its own will probably have little effect regarding that. Now if it makes you do that many more reps, sets, or minutes on the treadmill then of course it can contribute to getting ripped. Finding the right balance in your diet and workout, while the obvious answer, is the best answer.

The products on the market that are designed specifically for getting ripped are usually stimulants, whether drug or "natural," and I don't generally recommend them. There are some products that are supposed to help with utilization of this or that but I don't know anyone whose ripped up due to chromium, garcinia cambogia or the like. Out of all the complaints from herb use, about half of them are from ephedra (herbal equivalent is ma huang.) If you are vegan due to preventing animal cruelty, then don't be cruel to your body either! :wink:

See my posting under FREE OFFER. The product has co-factors that are supposed to help with fat loss, including an herbal calcium blend (involved in the process) and an anti-stress combo (stress activates cortisol production which makes the body diminish fat breakdown.) I know people who have felt tighter and have lost fat using the product. It is also formulated by a Master Herbalist with a lineage of over 1,200 years who has balanced the product and made sure it is safe. Hurry, I only have two more spots open!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:26 pm 
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I just bought some creatine today. I am gonna try supplementing with it next week so I can see the results firsthand, and let everyone know if it works


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I"ve used it off and on in the past, but really only a few times ever. I used a tiny bit of creatine back in 2000, and maybe a tiny bit in 2001 and then not again until 2004, and then I used a little bit in 2005.

Topher, you'll probably find that you will jump up in weight quickly, but understand that most of it is water weight. Taking creatine, it's not too uncommon to gain 10 pounds pretty much overnight (or within a week or so) and getting ready for a contest, you cut it out so you are not holding water and looking soft.

Some people love it, and I do believe that it aids in strength and has some benefits but I typically stay away from it.

I've used a ton of supplments in the past (all vegan of course) and now I hardly use any. I pretty much take a multivitamin and some Vega and that's about it.---I tend to run low on funds on a regular basis so that is part of it, but I'm also just cutting back on them. I might get back into taking Glutamine, Vitamin E, Flax Oil, and a bunch of other stuff again (I just gotta sell a few more t-shirts first) :P

Toph-dogg, let us know how it goes for you.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:53 am 
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Yeah, I hate the bloat from Creatine :? . Dabbled with it in the past - don't think I'll ever use it again - it used to cramp my lower back and legs so much that it hurt to go running. I've heard it can damage the kidneys??

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:08 pm 
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Here are my experiences concerning creatine supplementation:

I first used it when i wasn't vegan. I took the 100% creatine powder then, 30g per day with grape juice, as recommended. All i got was digestion problems and stomache ache with loss of appetite. I tried again months later with the same result. All other athletes i know had some kind of gastrointestinal problems with creatine powder in these doses.

At the moment i'm in my second 6 week creatine cycle since yesterday. I use cellulose capsules now, 4x1,25g per day, that's 5g per day. In the first cycle i had a good strength gain, but i'm not sure how much of it was due to the training system i adopted the same time for the first time (doggcrapp).
I use it for 4-6 weeks and then 4-6 weeks off, to avoid getting used to it and to relieve my kidneys.

I believe that creatine in moderate doses is a good supplement for natural vegan bodybuilders, as it is not included in the diet.

In excessive doses it might damage the kidneys, if you drink not enough, but i don't really believe that it's dangerous.

Moreover, i'm quite sure that the weight gains and water retention are more due to the usually recommended amount of sugar than to the creatine itself.

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i've been on creatine for almost a month and i haven't gained any weight from it.

i haven't had this water weight or bloating. but my eight pack is coming in again. i think it's more die to higher intensity smarter workout than to the creatine.

but one of the trainers at my gym swears it burns fat. i told him that the atp cycle stuff was probably just helping with overall metabolism. he said it literally burns fat. i walked away.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:53 pm 
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What i forgot to mention was that in my opinion creatine is the more useful, the more advanced you already are. It simply gives you no big benefit to load your muscles when you don't have much muscle anyway... :wink:

And i'm quite sure that it doesn't burn fat :)

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