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 Post subject: 80-10-10 and lifting
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:28 pm 
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been doing 80-10-10 diet for a few months and losing strength in the work outs...so before i pack it in and start jacking up the protein again someone tell me why i shouldnt :)


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 Post subject: Re: 80-10-10 and lifting
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:13 pm 
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811 doesn't work for everyone, especially those trying to pack on muscle mass. It's not the 'only' healthy diet, you know? :)

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 Post subject: Re: 80-10-10 and lifting
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:50 pm 
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Fallen_Horse wrote:
811 doesn't work for everyone, especially those trying to pack on muscle mass. It's not the 'only' healthy diet, you know? :)


I didnt want to add, but at least keep what i had :/


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 Post subject: Re: 80-10-10 and lifting
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:08 am 
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Hey, my advice would be to get off 80-10-10 if it's not working for you, personally it's never appealed to me at all. Just out of curiosity why did you decide to try it?
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 Post subject: Re: 80-10-10 and lifting
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:40 am 
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vegan_rossco wrote:
Hey, my advice would be to get off 80-10-10 if it's not working for you, personally it's never appealed to me at all. Just out of curiosity why did you decide to try it?
Ross


read, watched so many good things about it...great for losing weight thou :)


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 Post subject: Re: 80-10-10 and lifting
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:15 pm 
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From a biochemical standpoint; no animal on this planet is able gain muscle by consuming mostly fruit, especially humans.


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 Post subject: Re: 80-10-10 and lifting
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:45 pm 
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Gained muscle on 811:

Chris Califano
Justin Morgan
Richard Blackman
Runners Tim Van Ordan and Michael Arnstein gained muscle they didn't want on 811
And there's primates.

The most common reason for strength loss is actually energy loss from eating less calories, which is common, as fruit takes up a lot more room for its calories. Put your diet into Cronometer.com and see if you're eating enough.

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 Post subject: Re: 80-10-10 and lifting
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:23 pm 
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New World Vegan wrote:
Gained muscle on 811:

Chris Califano
Justin Morgan
Richard Blackman
Runners Tim Van Ordan and Michael Arnstein gained muscle they didn't want on 811
And there's primates.

The most common reason for strength loss is actually energy loss from eating less calories, which is common, as fruit takes up a lot more room for its calories. Put your diet into Cronometer.com and see if you're eating enough.


Chris Califano also consumes greens, nuts and seeds.

Justin Morgan and muscle loss on 811 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6HNUTTQZio

TVO consumes avocados, A LOT of greens, and little fruit compared to everyone else. He would do much better if he included oily seeds.

Michael Arnstein looks super healthy however he isn't an example of muscular.

Primates consume large amounts of greens. It has been shown in biochemistry that Vitamin A and its derivatives stimulate protein synthesis and Vitamin K stimulates keratin synthesis. -- Compare a mostly fruit eating gorilla to a solely leaf eating gorilla.. who has more muscle?

Fruit is like 90% water and doesn't take that much space and neither do greens if they are chewed properly.

Its impossible to gain muscle on a raw diet without sufficient greens.


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 Post subject: Re: 80-10-10 and lifting
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:30 pm 
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thx for replies!


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 Post subject: Re: 80-10-10 and lifting
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:43 pm 
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I am also adding... Omega 6 fatty acids from whole foods.. oily seeds and nuts are very important for us humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachidonic_acid#Arachidonic_acid_in_the_body


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 Post subject: Re: 80-10-10 and lifting
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Avocados are fruit. Nuts and seeds are excepted on 811 in small amounts.

"Primates consume large amounts of greens." So? :) 811rs eat more greens than anyone else(except some, like DR -doesn't seem to slow his times down)

Why link the Justin Morgan video? It was his opinion which concerned fat-loss. Muscle loss only happens with under-eating or lack of use.

I never said Michael Arnstein was an example of muscular.

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 Post subject: Re: 80-10-10 and lifting
PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:43 pm 
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New World Vegan wrote:
Avocados are fruit. Nuts and seeds are excepted on 811 in small amounts.

"Primates consume large amounts of greens." So? :) 811rs eat more greens than anyone else(except some, like DR -doesn't seem to slow his times down)

Why link the Justin Morgan video? It was his opinion which concerned fat-loss. Muscle loss only happens with under-eating or lack of use.

I never said Michael Arnstein was an example of muscular.


Accepted? Is 811 a doctrine?

There is nothing wrong with a high consumption of nuts and oily seeds unless you live in a polluted city or smoke. I consume a good amount of oily seeds but I only use my mouth to break them down and mix them with saliva. I follow my instincts when I've had enough.

Excellent videos for raw foodists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3rvrHUZXX0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJHnMZasghQ

Muscle loss also happens when the body is too alkaline.

I mean't that Michael Arnstein hasn't gained any considerable amount of muscle to be placed in your list.


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