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KETOSIS - atkins for vegans..

#1 Postby Bloom » Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:24 pm

i know all about the atkins diet and i was thinking i'd do a vegan option for a week for two and see how it works out for me.

I have a menu all planned and ready and it's all vegan and i have my keto strips all ready.

i'm going ot get super slim for summer! does anyone want to join?? it would be great to have a buddy! let me know.
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#2 Postby vegdad » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:59 am

I'm not interested in joining but I am very curious as to what you are going to eat.

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#3 Postby kernel » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:10 am

i'm no expert but i don't think u can do etkins on a vegan diet because as i understand the whole idea behind etkins is the way the body handles animal protein :roll:

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#4 Postby Kathryn » Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:09 am

I wouldn't recommend any version of the Atkins diet.
Inducing ketosis, which is a state that also can occur in diabetics and is NOT healthy, doesn't seem very wise to me.

Instead, you could get 'super slim' by going raw or following Dr. Fuhrman's "Eat to Live" guidelines.

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#5 Postby 9nines » Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:33 pm

You should rethink this.

First, ketosis is a very dangerous, extreme state for the body. There are two main natural states, in which the body enters this state: 1) some stages of pregnancy (demand caused) and 2) starvation (supply caused), both states of extreme stress on the body, with the body reversing many processes in order to survive. Second, the ketones allows the body to more easily consume its own muscle, so you are going to lose muscle tone.

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#6 Postby veganpotter » Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:44 pm

I went on the vegan atkins diet for kicks a few months after I quit track...I lost some weight but not as much as I wound up losing when I just trained...I also don't think I could have trained on that diet because I didn't have alot of energy...my skin started to feel oily, and worst of all the food was fun for a bit then it got really boring

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#7 Postby Hero » Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:14 pm

ketosis is bad . dont do it

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#8 Postby vegdad » Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:36 pm

I'm still confused at what you would eat.

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#9 Postby Bloom » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:33 am

well soy milk, coconut, nuts, leak and other low carb veggies, tofu...

advocado... it's bound to work.. i will keep you updated! i'm starting tomorrow as today i had to finish all my lefovers because i dont like throwing away food.
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#10 Postby veganpotter » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:45 am

Low carb veggies???? Its kinda hard to get any veggies in while trying to go into ketosis...fruits even more difficult...surely it will work but you may pay for your trouble

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#11 Postby MontanaVegan » Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:43 pm

I don't see how a vegan Atkins diet can work for you Bloom.
My soy milk has 9g carbs per 100 calories.
1 quart of soymilk has 36g carbs and 400 calories

1 avocado has 30g carbs and a little over 300 calories.

I can't see how you can get enough calories to live with few enough carbs to achieve ketosis.

Kathryn's advice on Dr. Fuhrmans "Eat To Live" is the best diet to be on.

I'm trying to slim down also, the closer I follow Dr. Fuhrman's diet the better I do.
My diet is high in carbs. As many as possible from whole foods
As little as possible from refined foods.
Refined carbs are the carbs to avoid.
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#12 Postby veganpotter » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:41 pm

When I did it I ate bean soups...very little veggies. I also ate lots of nuts and fake meats which make me feel like crap since I hate too much salty food. I did lose weight but it just wasn't worth it

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#13 Postby 9nines » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:49 pm

Here is an interesting debate with many doctors at a United States Agriculture Agency forum.

http://www.usda.gov/cnpp/Seminars/GND/Proceedings.txt

The transcript is not as long as it appears (double space with many blank pages.) You can easily read it in under an hour. First 60% is presentations by each doctor and last part is a somewhat debate.

Dr. Atkins looks foolish in it. Earlier, a doctor makes a good point that as a doctor or scientist, you do research and from the findings make recommendations (what Drs. Ornish and McDougal did); you do not make recommendations, then try to do research to prove your opinions (what Atkins did or trying – he admits he had done no research at this point 2000.) HE also admits his diet is nutritionally deficient (must take vitamins) and he admits he would not recommend his diet to anyone, except overweight people (he does not answer why he would not recommend it for everyone.)

Here is a foolish part where he admits he has done no research (claims he did not have funding, then states he would be first doctor to fund his own research.)

Note: To avoid confusion, the numbers are line numbers from the transcript:

DR. AYOOB: Just because it was brought out about

22 Dr. Atkins' claim to reverse heart disease, and he said he's

23 working on the data, but he's been making this claim for a

24 long time, and that's what I --

25 DR. ATKINS: No, I haven't.







124

1 DR. AYOOB: Excuse me.

2 DR. ATKINS: I haven't been --

3 DR. AYOOB: Excuse me.

4 DR. ATKINS: -- making that claim.

5 DR. AYOOB: You just did, and you don't have the

6 evidence --

7 DR. ATKINS: Before.

8 DR. AYOOB: -- to back it up. Now, this diet has

9 been out there for 30 years or close to 30 years.

10 DR. ATKINS: And I haven't been able to fund the

11 study.

12 DR. AYOOB: Excuse me. Excuse me. Ten million

13 books in print, and you can't fund the study?

14 (Applause.)

15 DR. ATKINS: Now I can, and I will be the first

16 doctor to dig into his own pocket to do a study, and it will

17 be me, but it was the first time I had any money left.

18 DR. AYOOB: Ten million books. You market the

19 vitamins. You sell the vitamins --

20 DR. ATKINS: Now.

21 DR. AYOOB: -- to correct the nutritional

22 deficiencies.

23 DR. ATKINS: That's true. That's why I'm doing

24 the study now.

25 DR. AYOOB: You market them. I keep saying --







125

1 DR. ATKINS: That's why I couldn't do it before.

2 DR. AYOOB: You market this. I say this is not

3 for the public good. This is marketed. This is a money

4 making proposition.
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#14 Postby 9nines » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:58 pm

Here is another funny part.

Some doctors are talking about Dr. Atkins’s own research (he shared his partial study with them) showing many people, strictly following his diet, lost hair, developed bad breath and headaches and were irritable.

Dr. Atkins side-stepped some of it but here is what one of his answers was:



Whether the sweet smell of

22 ketones is considered bad breath or just sweet breath is a

23 matter of opinion.
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#15 Postby veganpotter » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:45 pm

Oh...thats one thing I forgot. My breath was terrible. I couldn't believe it...even with vegan food. After a week I could even taste my bad breath(and not just morning breath) and brushing only helped for a little while. If you can smell your own breath you stink...if you can taste it your gross


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