whole anti alcohol argument is that i find it indefenseable unless you really dont like it.
indefensible? Why should I have to defend it? To defend something, it implies that there is something wrong with it in the first place. Sobriety is not a crime, and straight edge is not a bad thing to be. and yes, i really don't like it.
and don’t say all alcohol tastes like shite, cos it doesnt.“sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, I’ll never know because I wouldn’t eat the filthy motherfucker”
*10 points* if you know where that is from.
You know, I don’t like the taste of coffee either. Someone suggested I try some cappuccino, frappucino, lattes, etc. I did, and it tasted different. But it still resembled coffee to much and I couldn’t enjoy it.
The point is, unless this is like radically different beer, I don’t think I am going to enjoy it. Maybe European beers don’t taste as bad as American ones (I’ll have to take your word on it) but is it really all that different. It’s still beer. Is this strawberry flavored beer or something?
Besides, like I said from the beginning, taste is not the only one reason
I stopped drinking. There are other reasons that have not even been touched upon in this entire thread.
but dont assume that everyone who drinks is a drunk
i do not advocate heavy drinking. i hate being drunk, have not been for over two years, and i will never be drunk again.
I applaud you for that, and I have from the beginning. Look back at all the posts and I consistently point out that these things don’t apply to you. I have even gone on record saying that there should be more like you. Moderation is ideal, but even you must admit that moderation is not something everyone can do. In your own story you said you were the only sober one among your friends that night you went out.
'Government drinking guidelines
I don’t know how they do it where you are from, but here where I live
, following your guidelines will make a person is legally intoxicated. It has been determined (over here) that two drinks is enough to slow your reflexes and impair your driving ability. That may seem extreme to you, but it was put in effect because there was a real problem with alcohol here, and lots of drunk driving accicdents. And the fact is the majority of people who are caught driving while intoxicated are NOT alcoholics
or binge drinking. But they are still in a position to tremendous damage
to people around them.
My other issue with guidelines and health benefits is that some people (not you) will see that and see it as a license to drink all night. Some people will hear that and say “you heard the man, drinking is good for you. Let’s get smashed!”
if you say that i should start to eat meat because i drink one more time i will get nasty. there is no parallel to be drawn
easy tiger. Take a deep breath, count to ten. This is a civilized debate. Chill out, have a beer.
No I was not trying to say that meat and beer go hand in hand, or if you do one you should do the other. Nor was I comparing them at a moral level. What I was doing was showing that the reason you gave in that instance is not a good reason to drink. Look, we gave up meat, but it doesn’t stop other people from eating it. When you really think about it, us being vegan doesn’t really stop any of those animals in the slaughterhouse from being killed. There are even some people that say a small portion of meat daily will not harm you. But is that a reason for us to give in and have a steak? Of course not. Similarly, just because I can not stop another person from abusing alcohol, that is not a valid reason for me to have a beer. See?
Another reason I keep bringing that up is that I notice a lot of the reasons people give me for eating meat are the same ones they give me for drinking. For example:
- it tastes good
- you don’t know what you are missing
- in moderation it won’t hurt you (in both cases moderation is rarely practiced)
- you are just supposed to do it.
- a real man eats meat/drinks beer
I’m not saying that it’s the same thing, I am just saying none of those are really good reasons to do it in either case. Funny thing though, the way you feel when you think someone is trying to get you to eat meat, that is the same way I feel when I feel someone is trying to get me to drink a beer
. Think about that next time you want to tell me to have a pint.
What other people do with their bodies is beyond my control. But I don’t have to participate along with them. Like the song goes, “you can’t change the world but you can change yourself”.
*20 points* if you know what song that is.
i find it really offensive that you think i should eat meat for such a ridiculous reason.
I find it equally ridiculous that I should drink a beer because it tastes good. Like I said long ago, experiences form people’s opinions on certain matters. If I grew up among more moderate drinkers, I may not have this outlook. But I did grow up here and I do have a lot of negative experiences. I feel from my experiences that alcohol does more bad than good, and I will not participate in it, not even because it may taste good. These maybe just meaningless statistics to you, but they hit very close to home for me. Until you have walked in my shoes you really can’t tell me how I should feel.
with such a world of opportunity i regard it as narrow minded to close yourself off to something that could taste really good.
at the end of the day mate, if you dont want to drink, its your choice,
yes that’s right. And you should respect that choice and not keep telling to try a beer. I have been more tolerant of your views than you have been of mine. I never once said you were a bad person for drinking or ever tried to get you to stop. But you have in more than one post insisted I have a beer, because I don’t know what I am talking about and you know more than I do. So who is really being narrow minded here?
To try to end this on an up note, I still think I could get along with any of you here, as long as you don’t try to pressure me into drinking. It won’t work, and will just aggravate the both of us. And there aren’t enough vegans in the world for us to be fighting amongst each other. So from here on out, we will just have to agree to disagree on this topic. Fair deal?