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 Post subject: Nobbi's 3000 kcal diet
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:24 am 
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Ok, I did increase my kcal intake from 2300 to 3000.

I am 176cm (5' 9") and 71kg (157lbs). Main goal to gain muscles and loose fat. 60min cardio every morning for the next 6 weeks and 5 to 6 times work out 1 1/2 hrs in the evening.

What do you think? Any comments?

(in grams):
200 porridge oats
80 raisins
20 coconut flakes
50 sunflower seeds
20 hazelnuts
200 apple
500 banana
100 orange
200 pasta
200 tofu
20 olive oil
30 soy protein

3143 kcal
protein 127,39 grams
carbs 454,53 gr.
fibres 63,21 gr.
fat 100,57 gr.


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 Post subject: Re: Nobbi's 3000 kcal diet
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:22 am 
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nobbi wrote:
Ok, I did increase my kcal intake from 2300 to 3000.

I am 176cm (5' 9") and 71kg (157lbs). Main goal to gain muscles and loose fat. 60min cardio every morning for the next 6 weeks and 5 to 6 times work out 1 1/2 hrs in the evening.

What do you think? Any comments?

(in grams):
200 porridge oats
80 raisins
20 coconut flakes
50 sunflower seeds
20 hazelnuts
200 apple
500 banana
100 orange
200 pasta
200 tofu
20 olive oil
30 soy protein

3143 kcal
protein 127,39 grams
carbs 454,53 gr.
fibres 63,21 gr.
vet 100,57 gr.


Wheres the fat? Also, Fiber is good, but it doesnt contribute to Calories.


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 Post subject: Re: Nobbi's 3000 kcal diet
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:27 am 
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There would be fat in the oats, coconut flakes, seeds, hazelnuts and olive oil


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 Post subject: Re: Nobbi's 3000 kcal diet
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:30 am 
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kollision wrote:

Wheres the fat? Also, Fiber is good, but it doesnt contribute to Calories.


What do you mean? Do you think that 100gr fat is not enough?


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 Post subject: Re: Nobbi's 3000 kcal diet
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:38 am 
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nobbi wrote:
kollision wrote:

Wheres the fat? Also, Fiber is good, but it doesnt contribute to Calories.


What do you mean? Do you think that 100gr fat is not enough?


You just edited it from "vet" to "fat" so I had no idea what "vet" was.

I personally think that is too much fat. 900 calories are coming from fat and only 509 from protein. Now if this were a 24 Hour Fitness type of nutrition thing (which is a bit wack IMO), then this would make sense. However rule of thumb is protein should be on par with Carbohydrates or at least more than fat.


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 Post subject: Re: Nobbi's 3000 kcal diet
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Richard wrote:
There would be fat in the oats, coconut flakes, seeds, hazelnuts and olive oil


I know that, I was speaking of his caloric listing.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:03 pm 
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Hi Nobbi.

I think for a weight loss diet there might be too much calories, i'm not sure. See hwo it works for you. If you need to cut the calories, try to cut the carbs first, and then fat, and then protein. You eat a lot of carbs and the fat is quite high, too, too me it looks more like you want to gain, but then again, you do a lot of exercise.

I miss the veggies, though! No vegetables, no salad! If youo take those in, you'll automatically drop the kcal. Veggies are so healthy ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:00 pm 
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nobbi, make sure you are getting a decent ratio of omega 3 to 6 fatty acids. This usually means have a couple spoonfuls of flax seed oil a day, although you can get the 3's other ways, such as walnuts, nettles and hemp seed. Also make sure you get B-12 someway. This is usually done with a supplement, liquid drops being the best, although you can get it from some kinds of yeast and maybe a few other ways.

I don't think the fat content is so bad, but maybe it could be a little lower. The coconut I think is really good. Coconut gets a bad rap because it's saturated fat but actually its medium chain trigylcerides (MCTs) as opposed to nonvegan saturated fat which is long chain trigylcerides (LCTs). The body reacts very very differently to MCTs than to LCTs or even any other fats, to the point that coconut fat possibly shouldn't even be considered a fat in the sense that other fats are. Some bodybuilders take a 1000 calories of MCTs a day because they feel it gets stored as energy to burn as opposed to being converted into bodyfat. I've experimented with doing that and it hasn't hurt me. (Unless I'm clogging my arteries up and just don't know it I guess.) I did read a book talking about how it would not which was somewhat convincing, but not totally.

I really don't think protein should be up there with carbs. I mean it wouldn't hurt you if it was. (I'm pretty sure it's not bad for the kidneys) but it won't really do much good and kind of reduces quality of life, IMO. But there is a lot of disagreement about that within strength training/bbing.


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Daywalker wrote:
Hi Nobbi.

I think for a weight loss diet there might be too much calories, i'm not sure. See hwo it works for you. If you need to cut the calories, try to cut the carbs first, and then fat, and then protein. You eat a lot of carbs and the fat is quite high, too, too me it looks more like you want to gain, but then again, you do a lot of exercise.

I miss the veggies, though! No vegetables, no salad! If youo take those in, you'll automatically drop the kcal. Veggies are so healthy ;)


I can cut the fat a little. No sunseeds and coconut. The rest should be ok, because 'natural' fat. BUT !!!!!!!!! How to minimize the carbs without loosing energy or bringing the kcal down is still a mirracle to me.


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Hi Nobbi.

You can't minimize the carbs without losing energy and bringing the kcal down! ;)
That's the way it is in a diet! :lol:

But i don't know how long you've been doing this, as i said, try how it works for you. If you don't lose bodyfat, you eat to much kcal.

Another thing is don't eat the same every day. Vary your food as well as your total kcal. and fat/carb/protein-ratio. That's better in the long run. And in the middle run. ;)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:08 pm 
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Hi Daywalker,

thanks again for your reply. I am getting confused of all the different advises of different people so I decided indeed to work with my own program till end of october just to look how it works for me.

One thing about variation... I am not quite sure if humans do have to vary that much with their nutrition. If you look at animals you find lots of species eating the same stuff every single day without loosing muscles. Some thousand years ago people couldn't vary that much like we do now. I guess the value of nutrition is so high at the moment that you don't have to vary a lot. At least if you choose natural, non-processed food. But that's just a thought of mine, which could be completely wrong.

Nobbi


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No Nobbi, i know the idea and i think there's some truth in it. I rely on season's fruits and veggies a good deal and don't vary those as long as they're in season.

BUT you want to lose fat, gain muscle, change your body.
BUT you don't eat 100& raw and natural straight out of the woods.
BUT i didn't mean vary the foods, i meant vary the kcal - the amount of food.

If you eat the same everyday, your body will adapt.

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