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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:46 am 
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Hi Patrick - thanks. Just fruit salads. The only processing is chopping/slicing, and I've also been having a lot of avocado and cucumber salads, grating the cucumber and mixing in the avocado.
Avocado and cucumber are sometimes known as fruit-vegetables - they are in the fruit family. And nuts and seeds are in the fruit family too, so it's very easy to consume enough calories.
I cycle the fruits I eat, but to give you an example, this is a typical daily menu:

Meal 1:
2 apples
75g walnuts

Meal 2
2 bananas
75g almonds

Meal 3
2 avocados
1 cucumber, grated

Meal 4
1 mango
1/4 watermelon
1/2 pineapple

Meal 5
1 orange
75 g brazil nuts

Meal 6
2 peaches
50g blueberries
75g cashew nuts

Meal 7
1/2 cantaloupe melon
50g strawberries
50g grapes


Meal 8
2 bananas
25g walnuts


I interchange oranges with grapefruits, blueberries with pomegranate, peaches with nectarines, etc. etc. - basically a week's menu will incorporate most of the things in the list on my bodyspace.


Good morning Gorilla,
Thanks for sharing this. I have been vegan for nearly 1 year and eat quite of bit of salads and fruits. But I also eat cooked food. I am not the type to count calries, do you? If so, how many calories do you eat daily? I am just a bit afraid to tackle an all out fruitarian diet with thefear to lost weight. I would most likely eat salds too because I love them. I am seeing your physique, you are in great shape. I've spoken to my girlfriend about this and, it's a tough call.I get awfully hungry after training, tennis or running. And I don't know whether just fruits would be satiating.
Thanks again--Take Care. We'll chat again.
Patrick


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Gorilla/ James,
that short story by Henry Rollins you have posted on your space is revealing, inspiring and motivational. It really makes one think. And most of all it's so bloody true!
Patrick


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James: Forgot to ask you. Are all these fruits and everything you eat organic?


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Glad you liked the Henry Rollins text.
For me, my diet was already mostly fruit so it was not hard to cut out cooked food.
Yes - my dialogue with Bigbwii over the past 18 months has been most fruitful :lol:
I didn't intend that pun but there we go - a sign ;)

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Mostly organic, yeah, and fairtrade where possible :)

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... of course you are hungry after training :)

- yes I count calories - it's important to take in slightly more calories than you burn every single day in order to build muscle (I consume over 4000 calories on heavy training days)
- I aim for 500-600 calories per meal, 8 meals per day (last meal is usually only 250-300 calories)
- I usually train between meals 4 and 5, and I eat extra bananas before and after training
- I recommend this site: http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20Tm.html
(essential information)
- the moisture content is significant - this is what contributes to the 'satiated' feeling
- I also drink a lot of still spring water
- it's important to understand the science of nutrition to see that fruit provides everything the body needs
- during the transitioning I've been continuing to take a multivit/mineral supplement, mainly for the B12 ...

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Gorilla wrote:
Yes - my dialogue with Bigbwii over the past 18 months has been most fruitful :lol:


@James: So was mine. I am high raw/fruit (about 90%) for some time now.

@Patrick: Concerning weight lossI have to say: Bigbwii is correct when he says that many loose weight during the detox. I lost about 30 pounds. Fruit do not make you full, but satisfied. You will learn where the difference is after a while.

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- you have to find the right QUANTITY of food for you to not only maintain muscle but continue building

- now, I appreciate that I am very lucky as I am a student, which means I can eat from when I wake up, right through the day, with my last feed about an hour or so before I go to bed

- it's a lot of food: 8 feeds a day is a luxury

- it's easy for me to take in the required amount of food, and I have lots of time to rest

- if you have a job where you can't eat, train and rest in this way (i.e. most jobs), then it is harder

- I will be starting a nine to five (probably more like nine to seven) job this summer, and it will be harder during the week - I'll be aiming for more like an average of 5 feeds per day, and will make sure I'm taking in around 750 calories per meal (will undoubtedly use blender more and have more smoothies)

- then hopefully I will have weekends free to eat, train and sleep :)

- it's all about intake, and it is a science - you really need to know your baseline requirements, taking into account the intensity of your training, and make sure you are taking in enough calories

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Fruit does not make you full, but satisfied. You will learn where the difference is after a while.


- it is a different feeling, yes: what is nice is that everything apart from the insoluble fibre is being assimilated by the body! Hence just perfect, trouble-free digestion.

- I feel full and satisfied - again it depends on quantity. Maybe we're not using the word 'full' in the same way - yes it's difficult to feel bloated - you'd have to really stuff yourself! You can feel straight away when your stomach is full. One of the many bad things about cooked food is that one can easily go beyond the point where your stomach is too full, which leads to indigestion

- you really just have to find what works best for you - and yeah, just listen to your body ...

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all that fruit sounds great.
earlier today, you motivated me to buy alot of fruit when I went shopping.
I've been having some craving for a lot of fruit lately, so I might try this out as well. :thumbright:


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- to me it's very easy to buy only fruit - the other stuff doesn't register as something I want to put in my body

- that's what I meant when I said I don't have to think about it

- obviously you must think about the science behind it, and it does take a certain amount of planning ahead

- my diet was already very high in fruit so I didn't experience any drastic detox process

- I would recommend taking things gradually, steadily increasing the amount of fruit you consume, finding the combinations and quantities that work for you

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I can see that I would do just as well - better in fact - to eat more water-rich fruits rather than the nuts - I was actually craving watermelon but didn't have any. Here is another person's positive experience:
http://www.rawschool.com/rawevolution.htm

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So I guess you're not eating raw spinach at all either now?

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ha, thats weird. I just had some cucumber and avocado myself to see how it would taste(pretty good by the way).
visuals are always good :thumbleft:
..those nuts look good too


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