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Okay, so I just re-read the section in the book about the optimal amino profile, and I was quite wrong about the combination he'd mentioned. I thought it was 3:2:1 Hemp:rice:pea, when in fact it was 4:3:2 pea:hemp:rice. The book says that this combo is not only complete, but "complimentary and synergistic" although it lacks a good explanation for this.

I've edited my previous post, and changed the table to show the amino profile of this new combo... it'd be nice if trueprotein.com started carrying a high-quality rice protein so I could order it premixed. ;)


Yeah, but we're lucky they carry as many options for Vegans as they do. I'm sure it makes up a very small percentage of their client base, so I'm suprised they have even the three to choose from

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Okay, so I just re-read the section in the book about the optimal amino profile, and I was quite wrong about the combination he'd mentioned. I thought it was 3:2:1 Hemp:rice:pea, when in fact it was 4:3:2 pea:hemp:rice. The book says that this combo is not only complete, but "complimentary and synergistic" although it lacks a good explanation for this.

I've edited my previous post, and changed the table to show the amino profile of this new combo... it'd be nice if trueprotein.com started carrying a high-quality rice protein so I could order it premixed. ;)


Yeah, but we're lucky they carry as many options for Vegans as they do. I'm sure it makes up a very small percentage of their client base, so I'm suprised they have even the three to choose from


If you read bodybuilding.com quite a few of them use gemma, or at least a gemma/whey mix.

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TheLeetOne wrote:
Okay, so I just re-read the section in the book about the optimal amino profile, and I was quite wrong about the combination he'd mentioned. I thought it was 3:2:1 Hemp:rice:pea, when in fact it was 4:3:2 pea:hemp:rice. The book says that this combo is not only complete, but "complimentary and synergistic" although it lacks a good explanation for this.

I've edited my previous post, and changed the table to show the amino profile of this new combo... it'd be nice if trueprotein.com started carrying a high-quality rice protein so I could order it premixed. ;)


Great post, I just ran the numbers on the 4:3:2 pea:hemp:rice combo... very slick combo... heres what the Leucine:Isoleucine:Valine ratio looks like:
4:3:2Gemma:Hemp:Rice......2---:---1.09---:---1.29

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True Protein Gemma Isolate....... 2---:---1.07---:---1.20

It's very close to the Gemma Isolate for that ratio, still the plain Gemma is closer to the 2:1:1 that is claimed among so many BCAA supplements as being "proven". I wonder if the pea protein they used has a slightly different amino acid profile than the Gemma, I would assume this to be the case as Whey Concentrate has a different profile than Whey Isolate. I also wonder if this 2:1:1 AA ratio is something they were trying to achieve with the 4:3:2 pea:hemp:rice... If so, this may make the Isolate a superior protein in itself, with regards to the 2:1:1 AA ratio.

On the True Protein forums you will also find information regarding rice protein. They are currently researching and figuring out which rice protein to go with and through whom.... maybe a Rice Isolate on the way???? who knows... but I even emailed them and they said they should have a deal for a rice protein very shortly...

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That is awesome. I have been wanting them to carry rice protein.

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Rice protein is gross. :psycho:

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Rice protein is gross. :psycho:


Yeah, it is the worst tasting protein I have had. It didn't bother me so much when I first tried it, but then my taste buds came to a realization. That is why I only use it in small amounts along with other types of protein in shakes.

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Troy wrote:
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http://www.amazon.com/Amino-Acids-Prote ... 1420043803

....comfortable reading something that could be an exercise physiology program textbook - then I highly suggest you get it. I am looking forward to applying this research to my program.


Its been 10 years since I took Phys. of Ex. in college and I hardly remember a thing from the class. I think I'd be pretty comfortable reading it though. I'm anticipating your full review and if you care to shed light on this subject after reading it. Maybe a holiday present to myself... :)


Troy,

It will probably take me all of next week to get through the book. I've read a few chapters and skimmed through other sections. I'm impressed with the amount of research referenced in the book as well as the very impressive credentials of the author.

Unfortunately, there's not a short summary of what to do because there are so many factors that count towards building muscle. Rather, the book is divided into 2 sections: The Theory and Naturally Anabolic. So the how-to part of the book is almost a hundred pages long.

Be forewarned that the author is not vegan and is not writing this book with vegan ethics in mind - there are animal studies referenced. There is a section on vegetarians and vegans, however.


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I got brown rice protein from UK. It has a neutral taste and mixed with soy choc I can't taste it anymore.

the amino acid profile seems to differ from nutribiotic rice protein.

soy+rice mixed 60/40
amino acids /100g

Glutamin acid 18,3
Asparagin acid 10,4
Arginin 8,2
Leucin 8,2
Lysin 5,1
Serin 5,0
Phenylalanin 5,3
Prolin 5,1
Isoleucin 4,7
Valin 5,4
Glycin 4,2
Alanin 4,8
Tyrosin 4,4
Threonin 3,7
Histidin 2,4
Tryptophan 1,3
Methionin 2,0
Cystein 2,2

brown rice protein pure

amino acids /100g

gutamin acid 17,2
Asparagin acid 8,6
Arginin 9,2
Leucin 8,3
Lysin 3,4
Serin 4,8
Phenylalanin 5,5
Prolin 5,0
Isoleucin 4,4
Valin 6,0
Glycin 4,3
Alanin 5,4
Tyrosin 5,4
Threonin 3,7
Histidin 2,1
Tryptophan 1,2
Methionin 3,2
Cystein 2,4

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Even though I run this forum, I never even saw this thread until DV showed me. Thanks for the work put into it Troy and others. Great stuff!

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How weird, I was going to post today about human breast milk, wondering what it's amino profile is. Of course, the nutritional needs of infants and adult athletes may be different regardless.


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Soy,hemp,amarath,spirulina, and all animal proteins all are complete proteins. And great job with that animo acids comparing chart :mrgreen: !

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Sir Veganism wrote:
Soy,hemp,amarath,spirulina, and all animal proteins all are complete proteins. And great job with that animo acids comparing chart :mrgreen: !


Quinoa and flax are complete proteins too I believe.


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Sir Veganism wrote:
Soy,hemp,amarath,spirulina, and all animal proteins all are complete proteins. And great job with that animo acids comparing chart :mrgreen: !


Quinoa and flax are complete proteins too I believe.

I forgot them :) , but them too!

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DV, hows the book coming along...?

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