Vegan Bodybuilding & Fitness

Healthy Food Defines You
It is currently Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:48 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Deadlifts and squats in the same workout
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:26 am 
Offline
Batman
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 05, 2011 6:15 am
Posts: 1414
Location: Isle of Wight, England
So I didn't realise how much people argued over this topic, I assumed from the fact that 5x5 one of the most popular strength training programmes around that this wasn't even an issue. In fact I plan on doing squats and deadlifts in the same day once I've got all my powerlifting gear to my new house, so anyway, what's your opinion on this subject?

_________________
klaatu21 wrote:
sensai ross, forgive me for doubting you and myself

Mini Forklift Ⓥ wrote:
There's only one thing I'm riding at 6am, and it's not a bike!

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29098
http://www.facebook.com/ross.d.cosgrove


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Deadlifts and squats in the same workout
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:41 am 
Offline
Gorilla
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:31 pm
Posts: 516
I've done it before. I ran smolov for the first time and an Ed coan DL program. It was a lot of volume but it got the job done


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Deadlifts and squats in the same workout
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:46 pm 
Offline
Batman
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 05, 2011 6:15 am
Posts: 1414
Location: Isle of Wight, England
Okay cool thanks man, have done it before and tbh I found it better as waiting a couple of days in between just means I have to squat or dead with lower back DOMS..

_________________
klaatu21 wrote:
sensai ross, forgive me for doubting you and myself

Mini Forklift Ⓥ wrote:
There's only one thing I'm riding at 6am, and it's not a bike!

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29098
http://www.facebook.com/ross.d.cosgrove


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Deadlifts and squats in the same workout
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:25 pm 
Offline
Rabbit
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:34 am
Posts: 91
Location: Austin, Tx
I do them both in the same workout, or I guess I have and will. Leg day gets a mix so I don't always do them in the same day but it isn't out of fear of doing them both the same day.

_________________
Blog:http://austinthemusical.wordpress.com
Twitter:https://twitter.com/#!/vegan_cowboy


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Deadlifts and squats in the same workout
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:42 pm 
Offline
Gorilla

Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:58 am
Posts: 812
I don't see why not, as long as you're not going heavy on both. Obviously you won't be able to pull your max on DL after doing heavy squats, but you can always go for volume or power.

Base 5x5 (assuming you mean Stronglifts?) and Starting Strength are intended mostly for novices. Once you get up into intermediate weights, both programs (and Madcow) recommend backing the squats down to a lighter weight on deadlift day.

_________________
--
Bruce


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Deadlifts and squats in the same workout
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:32 pm 
Offline
Batman
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 05, 2011 6:15 am
Posts: 1414
Location: Isle of Wight, England
blabbate wrote:
I don't see why not, as long as you're not going heavy on both. Obviously you won't be able to pull your max on DL after doing heavy squats, but you can always go for volume or power.

Base 5x5 (assuming you mean Stronglifts?) and Starting Strength are intended mostly for novices. Once you get up into intermediate weights, both programs (and Madcow) recommend backing the squats down to a lighter weight on deadlift day.

Ahh yeah I was referring to strong lifts but what I'm planning on doing is a 5/3/1 style routine but just mash squats and deads into the same day, I wouldn't necessarily call myself a novice and I've done 5/3/1 + 5x5 before. You're right it's going to be difficult when it gets heavy, maybe I'll do them separate days after all, cheers for the insight blabbate

_________________
klaatu21 wrote:
sensai ross, forgive me for doubting you and myself

Mini Forklift Ⓥ wrote:
There's only one thing I'm riding at 6am, and it's not a bike!

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29098
http://www.facebook.com/ross.d.cosgrove


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Deadlifts and squats in the same workout
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:46 pm 
Offline
Gorilla

Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:58 am
Posts: 812
vegan_rossco wrote:
Ahh yeah I was referring to strong lifts but what I'm planning on doing is a 5/3/1 style routine but just mash squats and deads into the same day, I wouldn't necessarily call myself a novice and I've done 5/3/1 + 5x5 before. You're right it's going to be difficult when it gets heavy, maybe I'll do them separate days after all, cheers for the insight blabbate


I think the warning against squats and DL in the same workout is mostly for people who expect to be able to lift heavy on both and end up progressing more slowly than they expected, hurting themselves, or overtraining. Just like with everything else, there's no hard and fast rule that fits everyone.

You sound like you know what you're doing, so I wouldn't worry too much. When I did 5/3/1, I sometimes did squat assistance on DL day or vice versa and it didn't seem to do any harm.

_________________
--
Bruce


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Deadlifts and squats in the same workout
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:02 pm 
Offline
Batman
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 05, 2011 6:15 am
Posts: 1414
Location: Isle of Wight, England
blabbate wrote:
vegan_rossco wrote:
Ahh yeah I was referring to strong lifts but what I'm planning on doing is a 5/3/1 style routine but just mash squats and deads into the same day, I wouldn't necessarily call myself a novice and I've done 5/3/1 + 5x5 before. You're right it's going to be difficult when it gets heavy, maybe I'll do them separate days after all, cheers for the insight blabbate


I think the warning against squats and DL in the same workout is mostly for people who expect to be able to lift heavy on both and end up progressing more slowly than they expected, hurting themselves, or overtraining. Just like with everything else, there's no hard and fast rule that fits everyone.

You sound like you know what you're doing, so I wouldn't worry too much. When I did 5/3/1, I sometimes did squat assistance on DL day or vice versa and it didn't seem to do any harm.

Thanks again man, when I think about it I'll basically be sacrificing strength gains for convenience by doing them together ahha.

_________________
klaatu21 wrote:
sensai ross, forgive me for doubting you and myself

Mini Forklift Ⓥ wrote:
There's only one thing I'm riding at 6am, and it's not a bike!

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29098
http://www.facebook.com/ross.d.cosgrove


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Deadlifts and squats in the same workout
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:46 pm 
Offline
Gorilla
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:31 pm
Posts: 516
It can definitely help both lifts. I found I was able to incorporate more leg drive into my deadlift and my squats were more stable. You'll adjust to it within a week or two and you'll be good to go. Make sure you're getting a solid warmup and stretch before and after, and foam roll foam roll foam roll.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Deadlifts and squats in the same workout
PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:44 pm 
Offline
Finch

Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:39 am
Posts: 5
I have one day that's squats, deads and then romanian deads. I don't see any real problem with it. It's worked for me anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Deadlifts and squats in the same workout
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:18 pm 
Offline
Rabbit

Joined: Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:12 am
Posts: 111
Define "Heavy". It's all relative. If you just did heavy squats, and you want to do heavy deadlifts, you clearly will have to reduce the weight to complete the amount of work you could do with a fresh pair of legs. But as far as your body is concerned, it is still heavy and is still going to produce gains.

For instance, if you normally rep out 5x5 with 315, but you just did heavy squats, it is a great idea to drop down to 225 (don't take these figures literally, you make your own decision based on how you feel and not compromising form...) Personally, I actually feel better when I varry the weight each and every set. I go up, down and up again in the same lift sometimes... Does anyone else do this?

I don't see a problem doing both lifts "heavy". I do heavy squats and then immediately do deadlifts after that. These are the two most demanding lifts of leg day so i get them done first.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Deadlifts and squats in the same workout
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:32 pm 
Offline
Finch

Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:26 pm
Posts: 2
Brother, brother, brother... have I got some news for you :)

I have been lurking this thread for about 10 days (new to Vegan "lifestyle" and learning a lot of new things after hearing about Fruitarianism and being naturally curious about nutrition and diet) and your post made me register!!

There is a guy with an immensely popular and growing channel on Youtube named Jonnie Candito (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWZmmDqEJv277d7hBa1nRfg) with some of THE BEST videos on training, and how to train, available, PERIOD. Seriously, they are MUST WATCH videos if you are interested in deadlift and squat. This guy is about 5'7, 182 lbs, natural (tested) athlete, and can squat over 500 and deadlift over 600 in competition. I have been on his "Linear" strength program for a little over 2 months now and have made excellent gains to my bench, deadlift, and squat. It's a great program and on this program you train Squats and Deadlifts on the same day, twice a week. He trains this way himself, and given his results I was inclined to listen. PS his program is free, he gives it away on his site (http://www.canditotraininghq.com/)

I am not affiliated with this dude other than being a huge fan. As far as "people arguing" over this topic, consider it SQUASHED. /done


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  



{ ASACP_CREDITS }
{ ASACP_CREDITS }
{ ASACP_CREDITS } Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group