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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#121 Postby Troy » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:43 pm

An interesting find I just made... my overall daily amino acid score comes to 126 using Gemma as my main protein powder. I switched the gemma for the 70/30 gemma/rice and the daily amino acid score came to 115 even though the gemma-rice has a better score in itself. It seems the solo gemma fits better into my diet, filling more gaps. So again, judging all the food you eat in a day is a better representative of the quality of your amino acid pool. Glad I did that.
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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#122 Postby chrisjs » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:56 pm

Troy wrote:An interesting find I just made... my overall daily amino acid score comes to 126 using Gemma as my main protein powder. I switched the gemma for the 70/30 gemma/rice and the daily amino acid score came to 115 even though the gemma-rice has a better score in itself. It seems the solo gemma fits better into my diet, filling more gaps. So again, judging all the food you eat in a day is a better representative of the quality of your amino acid pool. Glad I did that.

That is interesting. As if things needed to be even more complex. :)

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#123 Postby Fallen_Horse » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:46 pm

Well now any gains beyond an AA score of 100 will be minimal, right? I mean, it's hard for the body to use a protein with greater than a 'perfect' AA score...
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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#124 Postby chrisjs » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:12 pm

Fallen_Horse wrote:Well now any gains beyond an AA score of 100 will be minimal, right? I mean, it's hard for the body to use a protein with greater than a 'perfect' AA score...

It's my understanding at this second in time that you are right if looking at the diet as a whole (as Troy did). However looking at a particular meal a higher than 100 score can be beneficial to balance out inferior proteins (under 100) that are being ingested. Of course just because one is over 100 it doesn't necessarily balance out one under 100 since the excess and limiting amino acids need to match, as illustrated in Troy's example.

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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#125 Postby Fallen_Horse » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:05 am

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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#126 Postby medman » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:26 am

Here's a bit of food for thought, I know I found it really interesting. I just read a 1999 paper by McCarty (check my post history for a discussion of it) that suggested that many vegan proteins - because of their lower essential AA content - could have a wide variety of health benefits. So maybe absolutely maxing out the essential AA content of your protein isn't the only thing to think about?

Also, regarding finding a 'perfect' essential AA score - this is really tricky. When you look at what ratios are 'ideal' for maintaining health, keep in mind that that involves all the protein synthesis in the body - from hemoglobin to the keratin in your hair and nails. I've never seen the exact balance used by skeletal muscle - which is what you'd be most concerned about if you're trying to find the right balance to support weight training.

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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#127 Postby chrisjs » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:10 pm

chrisjs wrote:I just ordered a 45 pea / 35 hemp / 20 rice blend from trueprotein. (They only have 5% increments now). I'll see if it makes my workouts complimentary and synergistic.

Just to follow-up, I like the blend. I usually feel a difference with pea vs soy protein (pea is better), this stuff makes me feel better than just plan pea/gemma. I'm cheap... plain gemma is cheaper than this blend, but I'll be buying this blend again. (Perhaps tweaked further, but still similar.)

Flavor is ok. You get the nuttiness from the hemp and a bit of a bitter twang from something else, perhaps from the rice protein or the stevia. I've always used it in a fruit or green smoothie, so I don't know how well it would work plain.

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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#128 Postby Ecology » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:53 am

Interesting read regarding your question, Troy:

http://www.getbig.com/articles/protein.htm

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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#129 Postby seanf76 » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:26 am

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BENEFITS OF Lipotrophic PROTEIN


-Polyphenols-burn fat by increasing mitochondria energy production
-Higher BCAA and Glutamine levels per 100g
-Lower Fat and Zero Cholesterol
-Lower Carbohydrate
-Zero Lactose means ZERO BLOAT!
-Improved Nutrient Profile
-Mixes Instantly



A new protein is coming to town and it is something every bodybuilder is going to want to try. The secret to this new protein is something called polyphenols, which are plant extracts that are known to help increase the body's own fat burning effect. Polyphenols can be found in many plant varieties, but some of the most potent come from tea extracts like green and black tea. These polyphenols are proven to help the body burn more fat calories per workout and to keep burning fat all day long. Unfortunately you need to drink a lot of green tea to get the full fat burning effects or take a green tea supplement three times per day. However, a new protein source is now available that contains natural polyphenols similar to what is found in green tea and is proven in scientific literature to increase the fat burning effect in the body's mitochondria. This is the "holy grail" of all protein supplements, to be able to burn fat while promoting lean muscle growth and it is finally available. Lipotropic Protein is a new great tasting protein source from L-Gear that delivers on the amazing promise to build muscle while burning fat. We all want a more toned body along with a lean mid section. Unfortunately, increasing protein and food intake was usually associated with a "bulk" phase of training because of the extra calories needed to get the optimal dose of protein. Your body isn't good at naturally taking in extra calories and nutrient partitioning them only for muscle growth...until now!
Lipotropic Protein contains a new kind of protein that is the most advanced on the market, surpassing old whey concentrate blends in protein quality and effect on lean mass. Sativum protein is a high quality protein extract that has some serious benefits over standard whey protein extracts. First it is extremely high in the prime muscle building components of protein, specifically the essential amino acids Leucine, Isoleucine and Valine, often called the branch chain amino acids. These anabolic muscle builders are the most important part of the protein for building muscle and Leucine is proven to be anabolic! Sativum protein is also rich in Glutamine and glutamine peptides, which are also very important for building muscle and increasing recovery.
These two groups of amino acids make Sativum protein superior to whey and casein proteins for increasing muscle mass and the fat loss benefits of the polyphenols make this protein way better than any whey blend on the market for building mass and losing body fat. Available first in Chocolate, the Sativum protein in Lipotropic Protein will soon be available in many different flavors. If you want the very best protein on the market for increasing lean muscle and burning fat, look no further than Lipotropic Protein from L-Gear. It has the perfect nutrient profile for the serious bodybuilder that is looking to lose fat while gaining muscle. No other protein gives you the benefit of both being the most advanced amino acid profile with fat burning polyphenols!

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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#130 Postby Troy » Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:18 pm

Lipotrophic PROTEIN.....a 20% mark up on gemma, thanks, but no thanks.
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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#131 Postby DV » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:35 am

seanf76 wrote:Image

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BENEFITS OF Lipotrophic PROTEIN


-Polyphenols-burn fat by increasing mitochondria energy production
-Higher BCAA and Glutamine levels per 100g
-Lower Fat and Zero Cholesterol
-Lower Carbohydrate
-Zero Lactose means ZERO BLOAT!
-Improved Nutrient Profile
-Mixes Instantly



A new protein is coming to town and it is something every bodybuilder is going to want to try. The secret to this new protein is something called polyphenols, which are plant extracts that are known to help increase the body's own fat burning effect. Polyphenols can be found in many plant varieties, but some of the most potent come from tea extracts like green and black tea. These polyphenols are proven to help the body burn more fat calories per workout and to keep burning fat all day long. Unfortunately you need to drink a lot of green tea to get the full fat burning effects or take a green tea supplement three times per day. However, a new protein source is now available that contains natural polyphenols similar to what is found in green tea and is proven in scientific literature to increase the fat burning effect in the body's mitochondria. This is the "holy grail" of all protein supplements, to be able to burn fat while promoting lean muscle growth and it is finally available. Lipotropic Protein is a new great tasting protein source from L-Gear that delivers on the amazing promise to build muscle while burning fat. We all want a more toned body along with a lean mid section. Unfortunately, increasing protein and food intake was usually associated with a "bulk" phase of training because of the extra calories needed to get the optimal dose of protein. Your body isn't good at naturally taking in extra calories and nutrient partitioning them only for muscle growth...until now!
Lipotropic Protein contains a new kind of protein that is the most advanced on the market, surpassing old whey concentrate blends in protein quality and effect on lean mass. Sativum protein is a high quality protein extract that has some serious benefits over standard whey protein extracts. First it is extremely high in the prime muscle building components of protein, specifically the essential amino acids Leucine, Isoleucine and Valine, often called the branch chain amino acids. These anabolic muscle builders are the most important part of the protein for building muscle and Leucine is proven to be anabolic! Sativum protein is also rich in Glutamine and glutamine peptides, which are also very important for building muscle and increasing recovery.
These two groups of amino acids make Sativum protein superior to whey and casein proteins for increasing muscle mass and the fat loss benefits of the polyphenols make this protein way better than any whey blend on the market for building mass and losing body fat. Available first in Chocolate, the Sativum protein in Lipotropic Protein will soon be available in many different flavors. If you want the very best protein on the market for increasing lean muscle and burning fat, look no further than Lipotropic Protein from L-Gear. It has the perfect nutrient profile for the serious bodybuilder that is looking to lose fat while gaining muscle. No other protein gives you the benefit of both being the most advanced amino acid profile with fat burning polyphenols!



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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#132 Postby Ravi » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:03 am

I just place my own order for 5lbs worth. Looking forward to trying this out! The prices seem super cheap.

What is other folks experience with the quality of the custom mixes?

My blend:
+ FORMULA
Rice Protein Concentrate non-GMO 20%
Gemma Pea Protein Isolate non-GMO 45%
Hemp Protein Powder 35%
+ Vanilla Flavor
+ **Plain** No Sweetener
+ Aminogen / Vitamin and Mineral
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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#133 Postby Zack » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:55 pm

Ravi wrote:
What is other folks experience with the quality of the custom mixes?

My blend:
+ FORMULA
Rice Protein Concentrate non-GMO 20%
Gemma Pea Protein Isolate non-GMO 45%
Hemp Protein Powder 35%
+ Vanilla Flavor
+ **Plain** No Sweetener
+ Aminogen / Vitamin and Mineral
+ FREE Food Grade Bag


That's a good blend, but I doubt the taste will be that good. I always get vanilla w/ stevia in gemma only. It's the best veg powder i've tasted. I think the amino balance in yours seems like it will be good.

Also, the regular flavorings @ true protein really aren't that great. Let us know though because that looks like a cool blend to me.
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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#134 Postby threeloaves » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:03 pm

chrisjs wrote:
chrisjs wrote:I just ordered a 45 pea / 35 hemp / 20 rice blend from trueprotein. (They only have 5% increments now). I'll see if it makes my workouts complimentary and synergistic.

Just to follow-up, I like the blend. I usually feel a difference with pea vs soy protein (pea is better), this stuff makes me feel better than just plan pea/gemma. I'm cheap... plain gemma is cheaper than this blend, but I'll be buying this blend again. (Perhaps tweaked further, but still similar.)

Flavor is ok. You get the nuttiness from the hemp and a bit of a bitter twang from something else, perhaps from the rice protein or the stevia. I've always used it in a fruit or green smoothie, so I don't know how well it would work plain.

I'm almost out of gemma. I might give this mix a go. Is there anything else you would suggest tweaking? How much of a difference would a ratio like this make:

50% Gemma
30% Hemp
20% Rice

or

50% Gemma
35% Hemp
15% Rice

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Re: Protein powder comparative amino acid analysis

#135 Postby Ravi » Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:14 am

Ravi wrote:I just place my own order for 5lbs worth. Looking forward to trying this out! The prices seem super cheap.

What is other folks experience with the quality of the custom mixes?

My blend:
+ FORMULA
Rice Protein Concentrate non-GMO 20%
Gemma Pea Protein Isolate non-GMO 45%
Hemp Protein Powder 35%
+ Vanilla Flavor
+ **Plain** No Sweetener
+ Aminogen / Vitamin and Mineral
+ FREE Food Grade Bag


I got my shipment and have been taking it for several weeks now. It tastes decent and mixes well. Overall I am very happy with my selection. I usually blend it with a few dates for sweetness (since I didn't choose to have any sweetener added to the mix).

For the price this really is outstanding.


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