Team 200

xjohanx · **Posted:** Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:13 am

Not directed as a let down at all. I'm glad you do what feels right for you dude. Why would I complain at anyone for taking creatine?

Gaia · **Posted:** Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:40 am

Lean and Green wrote:

BUT if there was anything I was leaving out the picture that could take me further; like creatine; i'd continue to supplement as omitting it would cause me to lose out on something I felt was beneficial for athletic performance. I still consider my saw a raw foodist 100%; evrything I consume, (outside of creatine and perhaps aakg) is either raw or live

This is what a true bodybuilder would say also. You tweak everything to get your body to push the edge of genetics, though it is usually just the weeks before a comp, to get the image you want to show on stage. But the real foundation is what you do during the off season to build, build, and build. That is where it is really at. You guys keep on concentrating on perfecting that comp image. Be smart about it though. I don't know how many times the immune system can turn on you and bring everything crashing to the ground.

robert · **Posted:** Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:40 am

I won't make 200 this time around either.

I get a lot of flack from a lot of people because I don't live up to all the expectations others have of me, but I do what I've got to do for work, travel, personal fulfillment, etc. I do look forward to breaking the 200 pound barrier, but I have a contest to get ready for right now.

Like Lean and Green, I'm doing what I need to in order to do well and represent myself and veganism well in 12 weeks. I'm setting new personal best lifts every week and I've been training for 8 years so things seem to be working, even 10 pounds under my heaviest weight.

After our contest maybe Lean and I will race to 200 just as Troy, Zack and I did before....before life changed for us...Troy snowboards these days, I went out on a National speaking tour for 6 months and Zack has quietly grown to be bigger than both of us.

Zack · **Posted:** Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:05 am

robert wrote:

Zack has quietly grown to be bigger than both of us.

that's funny, I wish it were so. I'm just taller, hence heavier. It will be some time before I am more muscular than either of you.

Stronger? That may be coming, stay tuned.

Max bench went from 210 to 250 in a month or less, 3 or 4 chest sessions. Stay tuned.

sosso · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:49 pm

191 lb morning weight, naked.

xphilx · **Posted:** Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:52 am

i'm jealous. what's your body fat?

Zack · **Posted:** Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:21 am

I am 196 empty but still look like a stick figure..

robert · **Posted:** Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:38 pm

Wow, what are you "full?"

I'd love to be 196 empty. You have a tall frame, it will just take a bit of time. Jonathan made some amazing gains a couple of years ago and really filled out his much taller frame.

You're making great progress and at a young age too...so in a couple of years you will have some good solid dense muscle building up and it will be pretty awesome.

xveganjoshx · **Posted:** Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:36 pm

Lean and Green wrote:

BUT if there was anything I was leaving out the picture that could take me further; like creatine; i'd continue to supplement as omitting it would cause me to lose out on something I felt was beneficial for athletic performance.

Dbol?