You got great lists and menus! and the pics are awesome too. Just wondering are you still tryign to lose weight or are you maintaining it?
Hi. Thanks - yeah it's always good reading through this thread.
Just maintaining for now (154lb)
-that's low enough for me
-141lb is the lowest medical recommendation for my height of 6'1''
-any lower than 141lb is clinically "underweight"
-as I said I can maintain 154lb on about £3 worth of food a day.
-to build up muscle mass would take a bit more food so a bit more money.
1 pound of MUSCLE added every 6 weeks seems possible. 8 pounds of MUSCLE a year. 56 pounds (4 stone) of MUSCLE in 7 years.
Layne (born 1981) seems to have put on that kind of amount (he talks about cycles of bulking for 4 weeks then cutting for 2 weeks, building 1 pound of muscle mass every 6 weeks):
Dr Layne Norton, PhD in Nutritional Science, drug-free bodybuilder
230lb (16st 6lb) off-season
195lb (13st 13lb) in contest condition
Ph.D.in nutritional science at the University of Illinois (specialization in skeletal muscle protein metabolism)
BS in Biochemistry from Eckerd College
“... just a nerd [!!!] that loves training I guess ... I have a PhD in Nutritional Science and a BS in Biochemistry and I lift competitively as a Pro Powerlifter and I am a Pro Natural Bodybuilder as well with the IFPA and NGA.
I started lifting to improve my confidence, stop other kids from picking on me when I was young, and gain more attention from girls. Over time it grew into something I did because I became passionate about the actual training itself.
I was pretty small at high school (130lbs [9st 4 pounds])
and I got picked on quite a bit ... I decided to take matters into my own hands ...
The summer after my freshman year I started lifting with a set of sand weights in my basement and using a routine from a lifting book I borrowed from the library. Ever since that summer I've never looked back ...
I also along the way made up my mind that I would stay totally natural. I never have and never will take steroids, prohormones, insulin, or growth hormone ..."
And of course we know plenty of strong, muscular VEGAN athletes, I just happened to be looking at some articles on Bodybuilding.com recently ...
Yes Jay Cutler won last year's Olympia aged 37 with a weight of 270 pounds (19st 4lb) at a height of 5'9''.
Yes he's huge, yes he eats a lot, lifts a lot, sleeps a lot, uses performance-enhancing drugs.
Off-season 310lb - yeah about 22 stone so pretty much double my weight and I'm 6'1'' ...
I don't need 4 stone extra muscle mass or 8 stone extra muscle mass.
A bit more muscle mass, like 1 stone over the next 14 years would be fine (I'm 26 and 9 months old as I write and post this).
So I'm really not rushing to put on mass again. If I can be 12 stone (168 pounds) and lean at 40 that's fine.
If I stay 11 stone and lean that's fine too.
I think I will put on a little muscle mass and stay lean - I'm getting back on track after the debacle of the last 4 years.
Yes I did get up to about 190lb bulking and I did get my body fat percentage pretty low - I never got it measured but you can see the pics - pretty standard for someone who did that kind of training, that diet, those supplements ...
So yeah I did that, took the pics, got the T-shirt ... but it's back to what I said in the update: what do you want and why?
What's sustainable? What's financially sustainable?
I've got a fair amount of writing and images that I've been compiling. I'll add them to the blog.
This thread is getting quite long. What I might do is copy the most useful parts, put them onto the blog and then just post on this thread if anyone posts an additional comment/question ...