incinerate wrote:That certain size that bodybuilders are trying to achieve is falsified. If you can't get to your objectionable weight naturally, you shouldn't turn to a steroids to get there. Instead except what you achieved from all your "hard work."
I think this is a matter of opinion and that's fine. For the record, I wouldn't use steroids either.
incinerate wrote:Hell, if I purchased steroids I wouldn't want them to go to waste either, which means I would indeed work harder to get my moneys worth. So what's the purpose in even working out if you're going to depend on steroids for the extra pull & motivation to work harder than the rest achieving it naturally.
The steroids are not the motivator. The goal or dream of achieving a certain size, or winning a competition is the movitavtion, and in some cases, steroids are used in the process of getting there, in addition to a lot of hard work.
incinerate wrote:So you mean to say,the bodybuilders who achieved there physique naturally would still be the top bodybuilders of the world? No way!..
I mean to say the bodybuilders who are or were actually at the top
, e.g. Ronnie, Arnold, Jay, would still be, or have been, at the top of their game without them, if all bodybuilding competitions were drug tested. Or another way of putting it would be that if these specific people never took steroids and competed in drug-tested federations, they would likely win.
incinerate wrote:Veganism is not just about refusing to eat meat. It's about the ethical treatment of animals & making sure your everyday products like toothpaste contain no animal byproducts. I assure you I am more vegan in a moral aspect than you could ever achieve in your lifetime. I choose to eat meat occasionally from a local & organic farm. No need for B12 to fight my iron deficiency, I will continue to obtain it from my food. Believe it or not, but food, "whole foods" is the ultimate decider in my lifestyle when it comes to health. I'm not going to restrain from one category & depend on a supplement when I know I can achieve it from a food. I'm an omnivore, and last time I checked, so is the rest of the world. So again, Veganism is a moral choice, not all vegans give up meat. There are different versions. I'm what you would call, a moderator. Anything else?
Animal welfarists, which is what you appear to be, are people who I have a major problem with. The end result is still death, no matter how "kind" a person was to the animal during its life. There is no ethical or kind way to kill an animal whose life existed purely for that end result, or that gain for the people who raised it. You are not in any way vegan, let alone "more vegan" than me, but veganism is not a pissing contest, so I'm going to stop here.