Vegan Bodybuilding & Fitness

I agree with this. Yeah, being neurotic about weight/fat gain on a bulk isn't the best course of action but neither is just saying 'fuck it' and tacking unnecessary fat - there's only so much muscle one can build over the course of time. No sense in rushing when it'll put you back in the long run.

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IRON MNTN // LOG

What it comes down to at the end of the day is how someone's body responds. I have seen dirty bulks, clean bulks, some with the same ratio, some with 20%crap foods 80%good foods ect you can analise it all you want but it's what works for the individual.

Rule of thumb should always be do it as healthy as you can. A kid I have gotten to know who works mon-thurs & has a 3 day wkend every week eats very clean while on work days & like crap over his wkend, yet has one of the best physics I ve seen locally. Again this works for him...

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If we are still talking about what we are eating (?!) when I am bulking I eat a lot of kimchi in olive oil. I usually make it with a lot of carrots. If I eat that with a lot of oil then it ensures I absorb a lot ov Vitamin A, which i believe is essential for gaining muscle.

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oh to be bulking...

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Don't torture yourself looking at this thread! In fact I can't look either. AHHHHH.

haha then i need to un-friend vegan sludge!

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Yah I can't read her blog because of all the food porn she posts. especially whatever that protein ice cream voodoo stuff is.

I'll take this all as a compliment. Funny thing is, I'm only eating 2,000 calories a day and have stayed around 121-122.5 for the past four weeks. Imagine what's going to happen when I actually decide to bulk.

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IRON MNTN // LOG

you know what will happen when you ACTUALLY BULK? I'LL HATE YOU EVEN MORE! HAHA unless you wait until Sept 2012 then we can do it together!

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I might just start bulking forever after I finish this v-log thing I started.

Kidding.

Kind of. I think it will all depend on how I feel after I finish this cycle of PHAT.

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IRON MNTN // LOG

I don't like the term bulking, but maybe that's just a personal thing. To me the term implies getting big fast, which I don't think it should be if you are after quality gains, optimal digestion and general health & wellness.

I always look at the guys from the 60's and 70's ~ Zane, Nubret, Padilla. They really didn't look vastly different in their offseason than what they did when they were getting ready for a competition; some of them even grew into a competition, adding bodyweight & size leading up to the show! They might only add a few pounds of bodyweight a year but their physiques looked amazing and they never had to contend with bloating, gas etc etc that is part and parcel of todays bulking habits.

For me, if I'm trying to add bodyweight I'll look to eat denser foods (both weight wise & caloric), eat maybe 50-100cals more with each meal and add in an extra meal/shake each day.

That's it. Nothing fancy, no wow factor but no problems. My favourite weight gaining foods would be porridge oats, fruits, pasta, brown rice sushi, rice instead of quinoa, yams, kumara, raw nuts, avocados and higher calorie protein shakes.

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Agree with the above^ all these ideas as to how to do whatever fad diet.....just bloody eat!!!

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I think saying "just bloody eat" is a little bit different than what James is saying as just eating "whatever" and eating 50-100 calories more than usual will produce different results. Not that I wholly disagree with you. I think we're actually both on the same page, for the most part, since I find fad diets ludicrous - it's all about the individual and how their body reacts to certain eating practices. Which is why I think tracking your macros is important and I don't think that's a "diet" (and I think this is where we disagree), it just helps people out - not just in terms of fat gain, muscle gain, etc. but just in how they live their lives every day. I mean, some people don't realize that they're fatigued because they don't react well to a low-carb or low-fat diet until they start tracking their intake and see the difference in how they feel, you know?

But, anyway, I do think the term "bulking" doesn't really fit any more since most people are leery of the "dirty" bulk and want to minimize their fat gain while putting on mass. I'd rather say I'm "gaining" since that could apply to my numbers in the gym and on the scale.

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IRON MNTN // LOG

I've never counted a macro nor will I. It's really simple, if you want to gain 1.5-2g protein per pound of body weight, as many carbs as you can get down your neck & some fats. I'll have to put up some pics on my photo blog. If you want to get big it's simple, eat big but you do it as clean as Possible, I have not actually said other wise? I ve mentioned peoples habits but i havent said "eat rubbish"? If your doing it with clean food, seriously what's there to worry over? If you think your gaining to much fat, you skim off carbs & work on reducing what you don't like. Tweaking the diet.

I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder or am I after a certain "look" so I'm never gonna be bothered about visible this & the muscle popping out. I'm not in the slightest cut, im there to move the barbell & to move weight you need to gain weight. There will always be a genetic freak who looks normal & can lift heavy but you can't use them as a bench mark. Big lifters are big guys/women.

I'm sure if I was a bodybuilder & wanted my "summer look" I'd be all for counting this & that but my muscle/mass & strength gains come from being able to move a barbell & to do so I worry more over have I eaten enough, not what have I eaten enough of. In all honestly my diets pretty boring, plain rice, pasta, steamed veg. My other half always rags at me for bland food.

I found gaining easy so maybe that's why, along with my strength mentality I see
No need in counting calories or macros. But as Long as foods are of good quality your already winning.

I won't detract on bodybuilder for how strict a competion diet is, it's hard but I have written diets for people with macro counting ect it works for them...for me I just want to move a heavier barbell:)

How's the training going anyway?

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"Don't fall for that crap that people are peddling on the message boards, in magazines or on TV. Get your shit in order, and get your training in order. Start kicking ass, and take out the crap that doesn't matter" Jim Wendler

Also when I said "just bloody eat" I wasn't implying you should be eating shit foods...simply eat more of good grub

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"Don't fall for that crap that people are peddling on the message boards, in magazines or on TV. Get your shit in order, and get your training in order. Start kicking ass, and take out the crap that doesn't matter" Jim Wendler