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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#31 Postby the monkey » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:18 am

for example yesterday i did about 40 minutes of jumprope in several spurts as fast as i could, doing different moves, double-unders and HIIT and a mile jog back to my house. Then in the afternoon i did about 2 hours of really hard calisthenics which were:
Warm-up (about 10 minutes of pull-ups/push ups)

Pulling
3x13 back pull-ups
3x12 sets of wide
3x12 regular pull-ups
3x10 pull-ups with hands together

Pushing
2x25 really wide push-ups
2x25 regular push-ups
2x25 Diamond push-ups

All of these are done with very strict form or they don't count and only about 1:30-2:00 minutes rests between sets and after i rode my bike to a friend's house about 2 miles roundtrip. I am 18 5'6 and weight 150

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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#32 Postby nobita » Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:00 pm

@the monkey, if you are not in serious sports competition; i.e. junior nationals, worlds, junior olympics, amateur or near professional level, etc... then just take it easy.

I doubt you maintain quality at perfect-competitive level on what you are doing, because it is too much exercise. Quality and not quantity.

For your age, focus on creating healthy habits that will remain during your lifestyle. It is great that you have so much knowledge on nutrition at your age and that is actually taking on action. However, do not take it so serious. Habits, take them very serious.

Energy renewal is also a skill. It will help you even when you have a job and a family, etc... and you will become more productive in all areas. Ask the most brilliant student in your class if he recommends you to study all day or rather little but intensively.

Anyways, I am just 24 about your size and weight. Excuse me for the granpa talk I gave you. Focus on the important things now (healthy habits) and let the strict behavior for when it really matters.

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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#33 Postby Alejandro The Vegan » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:13 pm

I was wondering what you guys think are the top 5 food with the most protein? Or what are you personal favorites?
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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#34 Postby Fallen_Horse » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:25 am

Whole foods?

Beans
Seeds
Tofu/Tempeh
Nuts
Some grains

Non-whole foods?
Any protein powder
Builder Bars / Organic Protein Bars
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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#35 Postby cuBuwu » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:35 am

compassionategirl wrote:see blue.

Daywalker wrote:- I recommend to do that in the morning, just after getting up.

100% agree with you again. In other words, cardio is NOT for pussies as some people seem to think. It is a vital part of any "getting cut" program. Also, doing cardio on an empty stomach first thing in the morning, like you suggest, I find works best. Waiting about 30-45 minutes or so after your workout to have your post-workout meal/supplement also is very effective based on my own personal experience and things I have read.

Important is that you don’t do the weights and the cardio in one session! Never! If you don’t have enough time for both, then choose one.

Hmm.... there seems to be an inconsistency in this statement above so maybe there is a typo? Anyway, I dont agree that you should "never" do cardio and weights on the same day. IN fact, I think that a good weight lifting FOLLOWED BY a good 20 minute cardio session is very effective in losing fat and retaining lean muscle. The trick, in my opinion, is not to avoid cardio and weights in the same workout, but rather make sure you arent in the gym for too long. In my opinion, excessively long workouts (whether all cardio, all weights, or both) are the problem - i.e. counterproductive to the goal of losing weight and retaining lean muscle.

And if one does do cardio and weights in the same workout, always do weights first, and your cardio session after the weights.


Yeah, I definitely have to agree with you on that one. I tried working out less often as I was trying out the HIT system, but my body started changing of that into a "strongman" and NOT of an asthetically pleasing, lean body builder! I was algo getting fatter despite suffering like hell after a workout AND eating a good diet! So then I tried long cardio workouts, with 30 seconds high intensity and 1 min low intensity.. that didn't work either, nothing changed! So then I tried the traditional method of deviding the body into muscle groups and doing 3 sets of each exercise, low reps to failure, drop sets etc, and that was slightly better but still not what i wanted, I still had too much body fat!!!(I think I should go easy on the nuts from now on). And all that time suffering so much from muscle pain!! Sometimes I couldn't even sleeeeep because however I lay, it ached like hell, and NO-ONE could touch me! ;-) !! So now, I'm working out with moderate weights, as often as I can, but for no more that 40 min a day. I'm using quite high intensity but dont work to failure because if I work to failure, the long recovery time doesnt allow me to work out often. I think working out often is the key to loosing weight and building muscle because i seem to be doing both at once with my present routine :-) Also, something else about working out, if you are a complete addict like me, HIT and other methods which don't allow you to work out very often will kill you! What wouldl you do if you could only go to the gym twice a week??¿?¿? Ufff!!! These short intense workouts are much more "mentally" satisfying and help keep you sane as well as being effective.

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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#36 Postby Ducati » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:52 pm

I'd like to understand the cardio weight thing a bit more. I do P90X and the weight programs are pretty good cardio workouts. Is this preventing me from losing fat? I have hit a plateau for the last month or so. I don't seem to be losing much more fat despite continuing with the program and eating a mostly raw, low fat diet of around 2500 calories. I weigh 165 at present. Fitday says I should consume around 2800 calories for my lifestyle, then I burn an extra 500 or so working out, so I figure I am deficient around 800 calories a day. I do take one day a week and eat around 4000 calories.
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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#37 Postby Silentwarrior702 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:30 pm

Never! If you don't have time in the day for two separate workouts, then choose either cardio or weights, and only do one workout, rather than combine them into one workout.

Why is this bad for cutting? Is it overtraining? :?: [
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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#38 Postby Ducati » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:30 pm

I am curious why cardio and weight training together is bad. I like to do weight training in such a way that I get a cardio workout at the same time.
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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#39 Postby veganPt » Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:42 pm

20min race after the workout three times a week, for those who do not have time to go to the gym twice, you will not lead to overtraining, on the contrary
if they make a run / walk at moderate speed, not to spend 70% of the pulse is better they do, they have spent the sugars with the weight and now it's easier to burn fat. it can not do marathons or spend 70% of heart rate, then it's easier to enter overtraining and losing lean body mass.

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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#40 Postby ITALIANMUSCLE23 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:34 pm

bulking new vegan here!

what do you think about eating mounds of basmati rice / whole wheat pasta / potatoes as carb sources on a vegan bodybuilding diet ?
will this hinder anything ?

ive just converted to 100% vegan the last 3 weeks and have completely cut out eggs and dairy. i try to consume all my carbs before 7pm.


any insight ?

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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#41 Postby vegansludge » Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:47 am

ITALIANMUSCLE23 wrote:bulking new vegan here!

what do you think about eating mounds of basmati rice / whole wheat pasta / potatoes as carb sources on a vegan bodybuilding diet ?
will this hinder anything ?

ive just converted to 100% vegan the last 3 weeks and have completely cut out eggs and dairy. i try to consume all my carbs before 7pm.


any insight ?


1.) Carbs are carbs, calorie-wise, so eat mounds of whatever carbs you prefer to hit your macronutrient needs if you're bulking. That said, some foods are more nutrient dense than others and that's why some people favor them more.
2.) Carb/calorie timing really doesn't matter because calories don't just "turn to fat" once you start sleeping so eat whenever you like.
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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#42 Postby Nicholas_Weir » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:13 am

vegansludge wrote:
1.) Carbs are carbs, calorie-wise, so eat mounds of whatever carbs you prefer to hit your macronutrient needs if you're bulking. That said, some foods are more nutrient dense than others and that's why some people favor them more.
2.) Carb/calorie timing really doesn't matter because calories don't just "turn to fat" once you start sleeping so eat whenever you like.



Right on the money there!

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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#43 Postby vegansludge » Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:54 am

Ducati wrote:I am curious why cardio and weight training together is bad. I like to do weight training in such a way that I get a cardio workout at the same time.


If your goal is to gain muscle mass, adding in cardio means you're burning more calories and, therefore, do not have as many to build muscle from. If your goal is to lose weight while retaining muscle mass and you're eating a caloric deficit, you need to make sure you're getting enough protein in while also lifting heavy and not going so far into a caloric deficit that you're losing a substantial amount of muscle.
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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#44 Postby MissCasanave » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:44 pm

I want to do a bikini competition. Does the cutting portion apply?

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Re: Bulking and Cutting

#45 Postby lobsteriffic » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:22 pm

MissCasanave wrote:I want to do a bikini competition. Does the cutting portion apply?


Cutting is cutting, and the same principles would apply. The difference is that for bikini you wouldn't want to get as shredded as you would for say a bodybuilding or figure comp.


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