I don't see dolphins eating bananas and monkeys eating fish. Why do humans have to be so different from each other?
So, you're saying to disregard roughly 17 years of personal diet trial-and-error and recording of how I respond to various diet programs and macronutrient ratios on all ranges of the spectrum and go with something that's proven to not work for me on past experience?
I'm not saying we can't all exist
on something like a diet based on starches, but if you think it or something like 80/10/10 is optimal for ALL people, I'm afraid I'll have to kindly say that you're projecting your own personal preferences on those who might othewise not be the same. The dolphins and monkeys comment isn't really remotely relevant here - I'm not saying to eat things that are far removed from nature, but there are more "delicate" balance factors that tend to apply toward humans than such a simple statement would let on.
We're all too different for a "perfect" diet. Starchy foods now make me sluggish, bloated, and generally decrease my motivation to do anything physical, not to mention they don't fill me up without eating massive amounts that inevitably lead to more fat gain. Couldn't attempt a McDougall plan unless I wanted to simply test my will to subject myself to daily diet misery, but if it works for others, that's good to hear.
If you don't like it that's one thing. There's always other sources of carbs such as fruits.
However, if your diet isn't carb based and you aren't eating either starches or fruits, you're a yo yo dieter or overloading yourself with protein and/or fats and overworking your body, causing it to focus on something it could be using energy toward more important and fun things.
And after being on high protein/fat so long your body is going to eventually win out, and you are going to be overwhelmingly craving some kind of carb in such a way that you're going to eat a lot, and gain weight (initially because you're in starvation mode). Then you're going to feel guilty for "binging" when all you're doing is just being human.
I say skip all that and just do 80/10/10 and get it over with. One more problem in life SOLVED.
Nope, not a yo-yo dieter, it's pretty silly to infer that something incongruent with your own plans is sub-optimal without having any idea what the specific differences are. It sounds too dogmatic to instantly assume that something different = poor choice without knowing the background, or, by simply assuming that what works for one will always work for another. Please recall, I'm not a newbie to training or dieting, so no need for the spiel that would fit someone who doens't understand the nature of excessive caloric restriction or eating too little of something that can throw the body out of balance.
I eat close to a Zone type macronutrient ratio, but the 40/30/30 varies between 40% protein and 40% carbs depending on whether or not I'm training that day. I don't get cravings for sweets or starches that lead to binging any longer as I did on other programs (both of my downfalls that have given me the fastest fat gain), I've lost 10 lbs. of pure fat in 2.5 months without anything more than mild (300 cal. under maintenance) calorie restriction on my non-lifting days (with no cardio added in my program), and for the first time while losing weight, I'm both getting stronger AND have more energy than I have in the past. I'd certainly like to know how this is less than ideal considering I couldn't get the scale to budge in the right direction on a carb-heavy/starch-heavy plan, much less get stronger and feel better at the same time. And, the best part is, I feel like I get to eat PLENTY at every meal, no longer do I get hungry 90 minutes later from low-fat meals that burn through me in record time, which have been known to send me into binge periods that undermine the whole process. Not to mention, now that I relize it, I never said I don't eat ANY starches, but they're in serious moderation, only enough to be a side portion of what I eat and never the main course.
My original post wasn't to cut down a starch-based diet as if it doesn't work for anyone, but I will ALWAYS defend the position that dogmatic rigidity in believing in a single "perfect" system for all people for optimal fat loss and feeling great day-to-day is a bad path to be on. Everyone SHOULD embrace their best path when they find it, and by all means, share it with others if it works for them. BUT....there's a big difference between sharing something that worked for them personally and insisting it's without flaw or that it's perfect for everyone, because I can certainly find plenty of flaws when applying such diets to my own body based on what I've tried in the past. I don't like to assume something doesn't work until I've tried it, and I've been willing to try everything over the years from high percentage raw through ultra-low-carb to learn how my body fares on each program. No matter what anyone might insist, I know myself better than anyone else, and that's a fact that can't be disputed